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Re: Migrating to the EU

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post #462

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>Sorry, but you should really read the links: That's rather rude of you, I did in fact read the entire text of the link. I hate citing wikipedia, but if you'll skip forward a few lines, you'll find this nugget: "On 12 July 2018 the higher court in Schleswig-Holstein confirmed that Puigdemont could not be extradited by the crime of rebellion, but may still be extradited based on charges of misuse of public funds" Puig…

It was not rude but a reasonable assumption. Let's revisit what we discussed: >>Usually LE in European countries will not respect warrants from another country if it does not make sense in the local jurisdiction as well. > >This is incorrect and goes explicitly against the intent of the relevant frameworks. But in the link you could clearly see that the court dismissed the EAW on charges of rebellion. If Spain had on…

>It was not rude but a reasonable assumption. Let's revisit what we discussed:

Yeah, variations of "did you even read the link" are rude. Yours was perhaps particularly aggressive.

>But in the link you could clearly see that the court dismissed the EAW on charges of rebellion. If Spain had only issued the EAW based on this charge, or if Spain had issued two separate EAW for the separate charges, this is clearly showing what I was claiming.

"Another important advantage of the EAW compared to extradition proceedings is that for 32 categories of offences, there is no verification on whether the act constitutes a criminal offence in both countries. The only requirement is that the offence needs to be punishable by a maximum period of at least 3 years of imprisonment in the issuing Member State."

The dual criminality check does not apply to most crimes. It did apply in the basically unique case of "rebellion", but the EAW largely did away with dual criminality checks.

>It is not given that the court would have found the charges valid and there are all legal means available to challenge the court's decision.

There are no meaningful legal means to challenge the validity of the charges in the EAW process, the entire point of the process is to skip that. You get to challenge the validity of the charges after you've been extradited and brought in front of the courts of the requesting country.

>But even if he had been extradited due to the charges of misusing public funds, whatever is wrong with that?

Specifically in Puigdemonts case I do not wish him extradited as I doubt he would be treated respectfully in Spain. But his case is obviously one-of-a-kind.

>There are extradition treaties between many countries and that would be an absolutely valid case for extradition, if the charges make sense in the local jurisdiction. Should every criminal be safe as soon as they are crossing a border?

EAW is completely different from regular extradition treaties.

>The important thing is that a court is checking the charges and that there is legal recourse, before any extradition.

The whole purpose of EAW has been to get rid of as much legal recourse as possible, and over time various CJEU decisions have been further eroding practices some national courts had established.

>you failed to make me understand why I should

You'll probably receive better replies in the future if you avoid the unnecessary personal attacks.

Re: Migrating to the EU

#512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a disingenuous comparison. The wiki article you've linked ("List of killings by law enforcement officers in Germany") sums to 552 people over the last 100 years. In contrast, the corresponding wiki article on the US ("Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States" [1]) estimates more than 900 deaths per year. Indeed, the number of slayings is so great that the article does not tabulate the s…

> 552 people over the last 100 years What a disingenuous comment. Do we really think that is the case? You ignored my other link. Imagine the outrage EU would have had if US seized immigrants jewelry. Yet, Denmark gleefully does that. Funnily, I had friends from Europe participate in the No Kings protest here, while coming from countries that have literal kings.

It's your source, not mine; if you have a better one, post it. I won't do your own research for you.

Re: Migrating to the EU

#513
post #332

> The reasons for this are [...] improved data protection. Didn't the Snowden leaks just prove that the NSA is listening to most things anyway? I suppose this has more to do with the specific case of a lower-level agency being able to access your data, rather than it being actually secure? I get that people would be concerned about that scenario, but also it seems like a little bit of hair-splitting.

GDPR is real, and real good

I think GDPR is a good example of why it doesn't really work in practice.

I think the fines and enforcement have been a generally good balance to the status quo in the USA.

But- in practice, is your data materially used differently than in the USA?

The problem is that no one is abandoning facebook, instagram or youtube and that data is being used in the exact same way as it is in the USA- to sell you things and track you across the web. Technically there are more barriers to getting and using that data, but I would argue that it's not a blocker, just an inconvenience to those using that data- it just makes the targeting etc. 10% less accurate. The whole system still runs the exact same way.

And, to make it look like it seem like it works now everyone has to deal with these dumb popups that don't mean anything.

Re: Migrating to the EU

#514

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

I've recently moved my storage to Jottacloud (Norway), highly recommend - they do - gdrive style storage - dropbox style synced folders - photo app/backups - PC folder backups with apps for mac/win and a cli for linux

Re: Migrating to the EU

#515

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

I've more or less made a similar migration towards non-US alternatives for most of my services. In my case, I switched from GitHub to Worktree (https://worktree.ca/).

Re: Migrating to the EU

#516

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

I'm still waiting and hoping that open street map becomes a viable alternative to google maps- it would be great to get a firefox of mapping (maybe not the best analogy, but....)

I definitely know that an open mapping solution could gain traction and be supported by bigger companies that would use it. It seems like a good candidate for the kind of collective OSS work that supports other projects- that there are enough big-enough companies out there that want an open non-google reliant mapping solution that are willing to pool resources.

I know that with mapbox and others that active work is being done, but it just doesn't quite seem like it's there yet.

Re: Migrating to the EU

#517
post #398

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What a disingenuous comparison. The wiki article you've linked ("List of killings by law enforcement officers in Germany") sums to 552 people over the last 100 years. In contrast, the corresponding wiki article on the US ("Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States" [1]) estimates more than 900 deaths per year. Indeed, the number of slayings is so great that the article does not tabulate the s…

>The wiki article you've linked ("List of killings by law enforcement officers in Germany") sums to 552 people over the last 100 years I think we can probably agree that this number is not very accurate.

Over the last 100 years, almost certainly not. For the most recent decade? Yes, of course I would expect these statistics to be fairly accurate.

Between 2021 and 2025 (inclusive), Wikipedia lists 68 dead in Germany versus 5882 dead in the US, despite the US only being ~4 times larger. More people have been killed by police in the US this year than in Germany in the past ten years, and it's not even April yet.

Re: Migrating to the EU

#518
post #516

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

I'm still waiting and hoping that open street map becomes a viable alternative to google maps- it would be great to get a firefox of mapping (maybe not the best analogy, but....) I definitely know that an open mapping solution could gain traction and be supported by bigger companies that would use it. It seems like a good candidate for the kind of collective OSS work that supports other projects- that there are enoug…

What do you miss about Google Maps in OSM? Just business information (schedules, contact info, reviews...), or something else?

Re: Migrating to the EU

#519
post #516

As a Canadian, I’ve been thinking since last year about migrating to non-US services and applications. My main goal is simply to avoid giving money or data directly to US corporations. I have no illusions, these non-US services probably still benefit US companies in some ways. They’re rare, but I’ve consciously decided to stay away from some Canadian alternatives. The main customers of most Canadian tech companies ar…

I'm still waiting and hoping that open street map becomes a viable alternative to google maps- it would be great to get a firefox of mapping (maybe not the best analogy, but....) I definitely know that an open mapping solution could gain traction and be supported by bigger companies that would use it. It seems like a good candidate for the kind of collective OSS work that supports other projects- that there are enoug…

Lyft pays people to help map in OSM. meta and Microsoft have both made big contributions as well (like allowing the use of Bing imagery)

Re: Migrating to the EU

#520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order The EU is just one AfD win away from doing the same thing. It's not immune to this issue either, you have the same problem happening right under your noses.

Not really. Most European countries have parliamentary democracies. It's not a winner-takes-all system ala presidential and semi-presidential republics where effectively individuals: 1. rule without opposition. There's no opposition it's not represented in that branch. 2. rule without even needing support of their own parties. The Italian prime minister or the German chancellor have to fight every day in parliament t…

I agree that presidential systems in particular are problematic, and the EU is lucky that Germany and France use parliamentary systems. But the nasty thing about populism is that it happens in waves and it does overtake parliaments. We need only look at what happened to the UK with Brexit for a recent example. It's not hard to imagine that a wave of far-right populism could one day overtake Germany, or send France's RN, Austria's FPO or Poland's PIS to a majority position.

We can cross our fingers and hope that nobody would work with them (I know that Germany's parties all have a pinky promise not to work with AfD), but it was only 10 years ago that everyone in the US was laughing at the prospect of a Donald Trump presidency – and now here we are, much sobered. These things happen, and AfD, or RN, or whoever, could wreak havoc to the EU from within the EU if they took power and started working with Hungary to block EU legislation, veto sanctions, defund programs and more.

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