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Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by throw310822 »

nailer wrote: post #498
throw310822 wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pointless to engage with the argument that one party didn't think it was offered enough so it's right for the other party to offer even less. In never made any sense and it's just one of the myriad rhetorical tricks to twist, muddle and subvert the discussion.

Here is Bill Clinton know what the Palestinians were offered: https://x.com/itscarterhughes/status/2033758202685268373?s=4...

Then you didn't understand. Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders and Jerusalem East as a capital, as it's proven by the fact that they are forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day.

But Clinton is of course lying as well as disparaging a whole people with racist remarks.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by donkeybeer »

dmitrygr wrote: post #493
mindslight wrote: post #341

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Or in democratic societies we can insist that our "public servants" actually serve the public interest of law and order rather than merely using it as a pretext to be able to commit their own violent crimes. Your rationalization is nothing more than a product of a failed society. Bringing it up as pragmatic advice might make sense, although still not for this incident where the "offense" seems to have been merely sto…

Then by your logic, every society on earth failed, because there are no places where you can act belligerently towards law enforcement and expect it to end well.

Correct, they failed. Cops are rightfully called all kinds of nice things in all countries. We are far from having what should be a non failed society. But liberal democratic capitalist countries get much closer to success.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by donkeybeer »

hjkl0 wrote: post #407
olelele wrote: post #356

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There are horrific acts on both sides going back very very far. I grew up in a country with a relatively balanced media reporting on the issue and have tried my best to stay informed. Suicide bombings, bus hijackings, mass murders. The inequality in force applied has still been a constant. Also, the fact is that any peace deal has been made impossible by the hunting down and killing of anyone that could actually hold…

> i am very doubtful there will ever be a peaceful solution. I wonder if there’s room for any actual discussion here. This topic is damned from the first upvote. Curious what people’s thoughts are about a non-peaceful solution. For example, do you think that other countries should send their militaries over to help one of the sides win?

Forcible accounting of the 200 nukes, their confiscation/decommissioning and crippling bloackades against the country illegally holding nukes and lying about them could be a beginning.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by donkeybeer »

this2shallPass wrote: post #464
hjkl0 wrote: post #433

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[flagged]

> "Hitler did not kill the Jews because of their religion; he killed them because they were Jews. And we must remember that, because there are those who would do the same today if they could." — Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking at the World Holocaust Forum in 2020. > "Hitler was not only a mass murderer, he was a master of deception. He deceived the world about his true intentions, and ultimately, his goal was to extermi…

Here's a funny video to watch

https://youtu.be/f9HmkRYlVZw

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #499
nailer wrote: post #465

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Those are some serious claims there. It's been 2 years and all the captured people have been returned to Israel. Still no actual proof of such claims that are casually repeated by pro-Israeli media. Not even mere supporting testimonies by those who were held captive. Anyway, you dodged nearly the entirety of my comment. You know very well what a proportional response to what Israel has done would be.

> It's been 2 years and all the captured people have been returned to Israel

No. The IDF retrieved some people and some bodies, sometimes Hamas returned live people, sometimes bodies like the Bibas babies they beat to death, sometimes other bodies that they pretended were the victim.

> Still no actual proof of such claims that are casually repeated by pro-Israeli media.

Most are from the victims. You can listen to the testimony of these people, in many cases via video:

Arbel Yehoud was sexually assaulted almost every single day during her 482 days in captivity by her captors (Palestinian Islamic Jihad, affiliated with Hamas operations). https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-886646

Romi Gonen endured repeated sexual assault and harassment over 471 days. https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/04/middleeast/israeli-hostage-ga...

Multiple former hostages reported systematic sexual violence; a Dinah Project report documented 13 women and 2 men experiencing or witnessing it. https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/08/middleeast/hostages-gaza-sexu...

> Anyway, you dodged nearly the entirety of my comment

Yes because it was disgusting. Maybe after reading this you should acknowledge that and apologise?

> You know very well what a proportional response to what Israel has done would be.

Hamas risking the lives of its own people to save some fictional hostages the IDF has not kidnapped?

Likewise, you haven’t acknowledged that IDF having a proportional response would be a drug fuelled death and rape rampage like Hamas did.

It seems like you support the Axis forces because more Germans died than British people. Israel defending its population from Hamas attacks doesn’t make Hamas good.

Seriously: listen to the victims and fix your life. Or better yet maybe Dang can do something about this new account.

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Post by nailer »

olelele wrote: post #508
nailer wrote: post #497

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Really? I acknowledged your point before I pointed out its limits. It seems weird you would flag that. Either way, I’ve seen what makes HN upvote, flagging doesn’t bother me.

Someone else flagged your post. Edit: try to imagine what it was like growing up as a Palestinian in Gaza, born 2000.

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Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

throw310822 wrote: post #511
nailer wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here is Bill Clinton know what the Palestinians were offered: https://x.com/itscarterhughes/status/2033758202685268373?s=4...

Then you didn't understand. Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders and Jerusalem East as a capital, as it's proven by the fact that they are forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day. But Clinton is of course lying as well as disparaging a whole people with racist remarks.

> Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders

I don’t know what you mean. Palestinians should agree to accept a deal.

> forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day.

No. Arabs in Israel have more rights than in any Arab country. Apartheid is illegal under Israeli law. You clearly have very little knowledge of Israel.

Arabs in Hamas and Hezbollah areas have bad lives because of their governments.

> Clinton’s racist remarks

Palestinian is a political identity created in the sixties. Racially these people identify as Arabs, just like the arabs inside Israel. That’s why they chant for “Palestine will be arab”. People should know that as a minimum to participate in any discussion of the middle east.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

hjkl0 wrote: post #407
olelele wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are horrific acts on both sides going back very very far. I grew up in a country with a relatively balanced media reporting on the issue and have tried my best to stay informed. Suicide bombings, bus hijackings, mass murders. The inequality in force applied has still been a constant. Also, the fact is that any peace deal has been made impossible by the hunting down and killing of anyone that could actually hold…

> i am very doubtful there will ever be a peaceful solution. I wonder if there’s room for any actual discussion here. This topic is damned from the first upvote. Curious what people’s thoughts are about a non-peaceful solution. For example, do you think that other countries should send their militaries over to help one of the sides win?

Yes. Other Arab states should run Gaza after Hamas is destroyed to ensure Gaza is safe, wealthy and deradicalized.

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Post by catlifeonmars »

fennecbutt wrote: post #486
catlifeonmars wrote: post #370

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If you feel the need to temper your speech to avoid offending people you are using the wrong moral compass. There are plenty of good reasons to speak carefully, thoughtfully and compassionately, but avoiding criticism is not a good reason.

I'm not avoiding criticism, I'm avoiding very real legal repercussions by treading so lightly. Lest I get caught in the crossfire.

That’s really unfortunate. What country are you in that there are legal repercussions? Understand if you don’t want to divulge that information.

Re: Palestinian boy, 12, describes how Israeli forces killed his family in car

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Post by nailer »

vladgur wrote: post #494
olelele wrote: post #490

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I try my best to keep a nuanced discussion going here and you obviously have no interest in this. Enjoy your flagged post.

But what GP said is true - we can see UNRWA educational materials.[0] Im not sure what is being taught in orthodox jewish schools in Israel, but I’m pretty certain that in secular Israeli public schools, death of Arab neighbors is not glorified, terrorism and martyrdom is not glorified. [1] Unlike that of UNRWA. In other words, one side promotes violence, the other does not [0] https://www.cfr.org/articles/teaching-h…

HN flagged a post that pointed out that Palestinians continually attack Israeli civilians. One can listen to any news article to point out each night’s rocket attacks and confirm them.

It’s not surprising they would also flag a post pointing out UNRWA curriculum.

Because people flag facts, this site is essentially a cesspool when it comes to discussing anything political. The moderators have recently been manually un flagging political posts, and then writing their own comments about people they dislike such as Dan’s recent comment about Elon Musk.

It’s a cliche that everyone thinks a site is going downhill, but Hacker News is absolutely going downhill.

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