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Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? Put techno companies to one side (as if not all companies are not actually tech nowadays) - what about pharmaceuticals, cars? All extractive as well as selling a product. Supermarkets? Financial companies? If you think there are companies not observing the data as well as selling the product, I don't think you're paying attention.
>Do you think any corporate isn't extracting data from you? I think they are extracting and sharing data to varying degrees and that some have a business model which pushes them to one end of the spectrum. If you take the example of supermarkets you used nearly all of them push loyalty cards which they use as a mechanism to manipulate your purchasing decisions but the one I frequent doesn't (Aldi UK). They clearly ar…
John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists
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Re: John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists
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Yeah thanks for answering, im also in the camp of understanding the truths underpinning the steel man argument behind the original phrase but not seeing a widespread clear path towards a better future with the proposed solution. What's the solution for class conflict? The meat packing workers coop wouldn't be as favorable to work in as the elementary school teacher worker coop nor as the carpenter worker coop. How do…
> What's the solution for class conflict? The solution is to dismantle the class system altogether. > The meat packing workers coop wouldn't be as favorable to work in as the elementary school teacher worker coop nor as the carpenter worker coop. This is giving us a chance at a true meritocracy. You can test into any of the more favorable coops as long as you have the skills. > How do you handle technological innovat…
I dont see a mechanism for dismantling the class system at the global level. What information do you have in your mind where you can see a path where the entire class system is dismantled? I am imagining 100 human clones in the jungle where one happens to be closer to a large stick, the person picks up the stick. Now you have a class system. The stick bearers and the non stick bearers. Its as intrinsic to human systems as set theory is. You'll never get rid of it. Unless there is a class of nonclasssystem enforcers that can tear down anyone who tries any funny business. How do you prevent abuse? Brain lobotomies? AI nanobots in the bloodstreams?
Theres not enough time and energy for everyone to have an equal chance of testing in every coop with equal playing fields.
How are you going to have a world revolution without massive genocides given how real politics works?
Both require steel, labor and intelligence to say the least.
Also geography itself will create classes of people. Those that populate among the shorelines and those that populate in the landlocked regions.
How will any of it actually work fairly and enforced without having more of the same bs we have in current power structures. (Oligarchs/autocracies with a working class that can threaten revolts occasionally)
Re: John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists
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I am anti-AI art and will never fund any thing created from AI-art. It lacks emotion. It only can copy and attempt to duplicate existing art. The time taken to make art is therapeutic to the artist and is expressed in their end product. It helps them keep balance in their lives, calm them, and fight depression. Everything I have seen from AI-art is dis-formed from reality. AI-art will enhance body dis-morphia in the…
>I am anti-AI art and will never fund any thing created from AI-art. It lacks emotion. It only can copy and attempt to duplicate existing art. Sure, but there's a difference between being anti-AI in X use case, and anti-AI across the board. I see you didn't mention LLMs here, which are the biggest AI use case right now. That said, a competent artist can produce cool collaborative works with AI image models. Folks hav…
Please do not apply Whataboutism to labeling about edited images [1]. Labeling should also apply to manually edited content. Difference between manually edited and AI editing is talent. Few people know how to manually edit. AI allows anyone auto-edit content. Auto-edited via AI allows for the dumbest to modify and be fooled by the edits.
I gave a reason for why I will not spend a penny on AI created art; games, movies, music, ... pictures. A person engaging with a prompt has no worldly knowledge of mediums. Working with medium is a trained talent. [2] Typing into a prompt has no artistic talent with mediums. That is part of it because adding to it expands the complexity.
Anti-AI can easily be seen just reading news and company statements. Anti-AI is being socially engineer by companies that gave / give AI as the reason for firing works. CEO's trying to pump their stock by saying humans are no longer needed. News articles about jobs being taken over and replaced. These give a bleak future and help prop up the ultra wealth.
LLMs can easily be summed up, pun intended. Had a non-computer / tech illiterate state why they like AI. They don't have to read the report and it can summarize it for them. Don't want to spend time writing an email, AI can do it form it for them. Both have the same long term affect. Lack of true understanding of the subject matter. The person that uses LLMs does not know the content long-term unlike the person that reads the full report. The person that takes time to write the email will become better at doing so were the LLM user will not.
I have not see any value in LLMs summaries. It may provide a true answer or a false "hallucination". If I want to learn I want to read the core content, not some summary. This assists me long term with better understand than those just seeking a simple _yes_ / _no_ answer. Understand allows for the content to be applied in both yes and no; based on context.
AI (Artificial Intelligence) is a marking farce. It is ML (Machine Learning). No one has yet conceived of AI because it can not learn by engagement with reality. ML only regurgitates what it is trained on with out evolution of knowledge / real world experience. Like all applications garbage in = garbage out.
ML is good at only one thing. Assisting with removing inherent bias. Something the movie _Money Ball_ examines and shows as proof of concept. That movie should really be called _Remove Inherent Bias_ but that title does not market or sell. Analyzing CAT or PET scans is a good example where ML can assist. A persons emotional state affects their ability to apply logic. _Thinking, Slow and Fast_ talks about how humans change their bias because of hunger. [3] It also is exemplified in how charisma affects logic. People that meet Adolf Hilter did not see him as a bad guy. [4] Those that did not converse with Adolf Hilter had a better understand of his character. This is the same reason judges will release the bad guy, that commits more crime, and keeps the guy with the good character in jail.
I can go even longer but will leave it at this. Left out increase of computer components, increase of electricity and water costs. And suppression of wages. People falsely imprisoned because of AI. And the black-box of the content it has been trained on. AI psychosis ... Don't want to add to the weighted value ..., another pun.
P.S. I forbade LLMs and any ML or AI from using this content. If any AL / ML / LLMs utilize this content you owe me no less than $1,000,000 in content usage fee per-token analysis.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del,_Escher,_Bach
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spielberg_(film)
Re: John Carmack about open source and anti-AI activists
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How does that prevent anything? You'll still have the exact same issue. Unless you think a google employee would be the same class as a small mom and pop employee just because they both own a share of their workplace.
The defining feature of class dynamics is ownership of the means of production vs labor participation. If everybody owns the means of production and everyone participates in the labor force, class distinctions disappear.
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The defining feature of class dynamics is ownership of the means of production vs labor participation. If everybody owns the means of production and everyone participates in the labor force, class distinctions disappear.
If you look at it through a lens of a specific theory that may be true. But that theory does not apply nor translate to reality. Everyone already owns captial its called a 401k or investment fund. There is still class. If that was taken 1 step further and everyone owned a part of their workplace there would still be class. Being forced to own your workplace reduces mobility and traps people. Shutting down a coal plan…
That's a wild statement.
Italy has a lot of employee-owned business. Apparently it works well for them.