As a dev, I think the entire world should just adopt UTC
That would be confusing in other ways though, especially traveling
In one country lunch is at 1200 another country lunch is at 0500
British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
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Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#512These discussions are always very annoying. People tend to state their preferences without mentioning their latitude, their longitude, or their current time zone. Anyway, here are my preferences: GB should switch to UTC+0 all year. UTC+1 all year was tried (1968-1971) and was very unpopular in Scotland. School hours are roughly 09:00 till 15:00 and they only get about 6 hours of sunlight in winter up north so local n…
Or, how about we alter the clocks by +/- an hour twice a year to maximise the amount of useful daylight? Get the best of both worlds.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#513Earlier quoted context omitted.
> GB should switch to UTC+0 all year. UTC+1 all year was tried (1968-1971) and was very unpopular in Scotland. School hours are roughly 09:00 till 15:00 and they only get about 6 hours of sunlight in winter up north so local noon has to be at around 12:00. Couldn't you adjust the school schedule by an hour to achieve the same effect?
You mean switch to UTC+1 all year while doing +1 on the timetables of all schools and anything else that might directly or indirectly depend on them: childcare for younger children, working hours of teachers and parents, sports activities, public transport, ...? Compared to switching to UTC+0 all year and leaving the timetables as they are, the disadvantages would seem to greatly outweigh the advantages. The other co…
Maybe you could use different timetables in summer and winter, so that only the relevant part of activities is affected, not everything indiscriminately. This would also make it possible to cater to local needs much better instead of simply fixing school hours from 9 to 15 and adjusting the clock that it falls into daylight.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#514Chances are it will get repealed because it isn't standard time. Examples of failed permanent daylight switches: - USA 70s - Russia 2010s - UK 70s The only examples of failed switches to permanent standard time are Egypt and Jordan. There are 12 prominent examples with permanent standard time, including most of Mexico, Argentina, Russia, and parts of Australia. Only the Yukon, Turkey, Jordan, Morocco, and Syria are o…
It’s not just because it’s associated with summer, quite the opposite: many of us just feel that sunset 30 minutes after work in the winter will be less depressing than the sun setting while we’re in the office. And then even more so during the days where it moves from 5:30 to 6:30, that’s enough to actually get out and do an activity.
I get that there are good reasons for morning light too, I’m just saying that I don’t think it’s just an association with summer.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#515These discussions are always very annoying. People tend to state their preferences without mentioning their latitude, their longitude, or their current time zone. Anyway, here are my preferences: GB should switch to UTC+0 all year. UTC+1 all year was tried (1968-1971) and was very unpopular in Scotland. School hours are roughly 09:00 till 15:00 and they only get about 6 hours of sunlight in winter up north so local n…
Or, how about we alter the clocks by +/- an hour twice a year to maximise the amount of useful daylight? Get the best of both worlds.
Why don't we just adjust the clocks by a minute a day constantly all year? They're all digital now.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#516These discussions are always very annoying. People tend to state their preferences without mentioning their latitude, their longitude, or their current time zone. Anyway, here are my preferences: GB should switch to UTC+0 all year. UTC+1 all year was tried (1968-1971) and was very unpopular in Scotland. School hours are roughly 09:00 till 15:00 and they only get about 6 hours of sunlight in winter up north so local n…
I think part of why people's preferences get so different in different sides of a timezone is as much because the hour-wide timezone is too wide. If you asked people to use a thirty-minute timezone or fifteen-minute timezone agreement would be a lot easier, and a lot easier to match local noon to timezone noon for the most people covered. Of course, there would be just as many arguments against that because people wo…
I do like your optimism but most of modern communication isn’t done via meeting invites from Google / MS Office.
I might say to someone on Slack: are you free at 14:00 UK time? Or organise a time on a Zoom call.
Because so much of modern technology is already soulless, I’d hate to see a future where the only practical way to organise some time with someone becomes via business productivity suites.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
#517Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or, how about we alter the clocks by +/- an hour twice a year to maximise the amount of useful daylight? Get the best of both worlds.
Why don't we just adjust the clocks by a minute a day constantly all year? They're all digital now.
That’s not even remotely true.
Plenty of people still wear analogue wrist watches (eg for fashion). Then there’s old clocks in buildings like town halls. And it’s still reasonably common for people to hang analogue clocks in homes like one might a painting.
And even many digital clocks are still dumb devices that need to be manually synced. Such as most kitchen appliance clocks.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
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What is your latitude, longitude, current time zone?
Fair question, I suppose. I'm in England. It's a small country so that's sufficient precision!
Fwiw I thought it was pretty self evident in your OP, and additionally that England is small enough to be a sufficient answer
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
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Sadly, this isn't really right. Humanity settled on solar time. For somewhat obvious reasons. Alas, I don't see my preferred method of changing the clock by 10 minutes every month taking hold. Basically ever. :D I also don't think this is nearly as important for places that are not further away from the equator. If you are on the equator, you are almost certainly fine with no change throughout the year.
That method wont work, that is a too large change that happens to seldom. What you want is a leap second every hour for five months to switch between standard and daylight savings time and back, with a month of constant time around each solstice. That gives you a smooth transition without perceptible discontinuities.
I challenge the idea that 10 minutes is too large of a change?
I accept that it was too many changes back when we didn't have smart phones/clocks controlling the vast majority of time pieces. Even most cars, nowadays, set themselves off of a GPS signal.
Nowadays, though? A surprising number of people flat out don't notice that the time even changed until people tell them about it.
As the other response said, though; if you look at when people were on solar time, the length of an hour just flat out wasn't constant. Such that most animals are already used to wake times changing throughout the year. It was specifically our move to a mechanical method that was constant that is causing this.
To that end, shifting to a change every month would, in many ways, be a step back towards how sundials worked with constant changes. As you say, we could go even more continuous someday. That feels like it would have slightly more complications. But by the time everything is controlled by a central computer like thing, most of them would be completely obviated.
Re: British Columbia is permanently adopting daylight time
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Yeah I don't agree with this at all. I want the light when I'm getting up in the morning. When I'm coming home from work it's the end of the day: I'm tired, I'm hustling home to do errands or chores or make dinner, I'm probably going to spend that time inside anyway because that's where the things that I need to get done are, and if it it's going to be cold and windy, it's going to be cold and windy in the evening. I…
It's weird, my opinion is the exact opposite from yours, but for the same reasons. When it's the morning, I haven't had the time to get tired yet. So I don't care yet, I don't require the sunlight at that time of the day. And it's always a better feeling when there's only a bit of darkness left before sunrise, when the alternative is feeling like the day was wasted as you step outside and it's already night out. Depe…
You are very lucky to have a strong circadian rhythm that doesn't require light in the morning then. Not all of us work that way. If there is no light in the morning I find it very hard to get up and function. Where I live, if we adopted permanent summer time the sun wouldn't rise until 9:45 in the dead of winter. I couldn't handle that many hours of complete darkness at the start of the day.