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Post by pasquinelli »

permo-w wrote: post #508
segmondy wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just that, but with how unfriendly we have been to the world, there's no guarantee that they will keep sharing as they have in the past.

This is one thing I cannot fault Trump on. He's really succeeded in reducing European reliance on, subservience to, and respect for the USA. Now if we can stand on our own and not just swing further towards China instead, he'll have produced an absolute miracle

> He's really succeeded in reducing European reliance on, subservience to, and respect for the USA.

is that so?

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

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Post by lemontheme »

SauntSolaire wrote: post #136
BitsAndObjects wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The UK and Europe welcome the US Footgun Operation. Plenty of opportunities for those top researchers and engineers over here. The EU (which is not the same as Europe), is also looking a bit sharper on AI regulation at the moment (for now… not perfect but sharper etc etc).

To make 1/10th the salary they're making now?

First, the difference isn’t that big in the economically stronger EU countries. Second, you need to factor in cost of living, which by most accounts is lower. Third, meaningful labor laws and a shared appreciation for work-life balance. And finally, to continue the sweeping generalizations, while we celebrate business acumen, we don’t fetishize wealth. People who flaunt money get made fun of, as do sigma grindset hustle bros.

I’ll take a pay cut any day for the ethos of the EU.

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Post by busko »

permo-w wrote: post #505
rdtsc wrote: post #458

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's always been the loophole. But it involved an extra step so they are just trying to get rid of that one annoyance. Here is an interesting thing to think about which country spies on Americans the most and how? Are there New Zealand commandos sneaking around the shores tapping cables? Moles working in the AT&T for the Canadian government? What happens if one of those individuals get caught, are they quietly allo…

It's amusing to imagine spies from puny former British colonies snooping around the AT&T offices in trench coats and fedoras, but if this is the case, more likely they just share access to data from remote systems

You should definitely ask your local homeless veteran of their opinions of other forces. I highly doubt many will have anything but praise to express.

When these things done right you won't hear about it.

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Post by RobotToaster »

rdtsc wrote: post #458
5o1ecist wrote: post #385

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That's always been the loophole. But it involved an extra step so they are just trying to get rid of that one annoyance. Here is an interesting thing to think about which country spies on Americans the most and how? Are there New Zealand commandos sneaking around the shores tapping cables? Moles working in the AT&T for the Canadian government? What happens if one of those individuals get caught, are they quietly allo…

I imagine they're officially sent in some "diplomatic" capacity.

Anne Sacoolas (the woman who mowed down a British teenager with her car, but escaped because she had diplomatic immunity) turned out to be a senior CIA spy.

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Post by MrJohz »

timr wrote: post #216
adrr wrote: post #205

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It stop any one with government contracts from using anthropic. Not just bidding on government contracts.

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But Anthropic can't be a winning bidder, can they? They're specifically saying they won't offer certain services that the US Gov wants. Therefore they de facto fail any bid that requires them to offer those services. (And from Anthropic's side, it sounds like they're also refusing to bid for those contracts.)

Is that not sufficient here?

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Post by imiric »

david_shaw wrote: post #195

I'd prefer to see board (or executive) level signatories over lay employees -- the people who can enforce enterprise policy rather than just voice their opinions -- but this is encouraging to see nonetheless. I can't help but notice that Grok/X is not part of this initiative, though. I realize that frontier models are really coming from Anthropic, OpenAI, and Google, but it feels like someone is going to give in to t…

> It's incredible how quickly we've devolved into full-blown sci-fi dystopia.

How so? The steps towards where we are now have been gradual over the last 2 decades, at least. This recent step has opened the door for those in power to grab onto even more power and wealth, and they're naturally seizing it. All of this was comically predictable. Oh, and BTW, the people on this very website have brought us here. :)

You know what will happen next? Absolutely nothing. A vocal minority will make a ruckus that will be ignored, partly because nobody will hear it due to our corrupted media channels, and partly because the vast majority doesn't care and are too amused by their shiny toys and way of life.

This dystopia is only different from fictional ones in that those in power have managed to convince the majority of people that they're not living in a dystopia. It's kind of a genius move.

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Post by GaryBluto »

If the DoW/DoD wants Anthropic, they'll get Anthropic, whether we know about it publicly or not. It's not unlikely that they're already working together and just putting on a show for the public.

I'd even go as far to say that if this is indeed a publicity campaign it is the most successful one I've seen in years. Many detractors of the existence of LLMs are suddenly leaping to Anthropic's defence.

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Post by tgv »

w4yai wrote: post #417
largbae wrote: post #409

The signatories of this (letter, petition, whatever) are the same folks who profit from creating this Pandora's Box. If you don't want it opened, stop making it?

There are other valid use cases than war for AI.

Very few. Most use is a pure negative for society.

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Post by etchalon »

ekianjo wrote: post #504
Nevermark wrote: post #465

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the point is that would be catastrophic for Anthropic.

Who cares about Anthropic? That's the guys who are pushing for regulations to prevent people from using local models. The earlier they are gone the better

"First they came for Anthropic, and I said nothing because fuck those guys I guess."

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Post by skeptic_ai »

segmondy wrote: post #477
torben-friis wrote: post #151

Among other consequences, if Anthropic ends up being killed it’s going to be just another nail in the coffin of trust in America. Companies who subscribed will find themselves without an important tool because the president went on a rant, and might wonder if it’s safe to depend on other American companies.

Anthropic will just move out of the US. A lot of scientists fled Nazi Germany in the early stages. A lot of them fled to USA and end up being part of the Manhattan project that gave the Abomb that helped US win and end the war. We are going to bleed a lot of AI researches and engineers.

USA can’t just deny the ability to leave if you are deemed to be important for national security?
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