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Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by joquarky »

Maxion wrote: post #29
gyomu wrote: post #18

> it completely transformed my workflow, whether it’s personal or commercial projects > This has truly freed up my productivity, letting me pursue so many ideas I couldn’t move forward on before If you're writing in a blog post that AI has changed your life and let you build so many amazing projects, you should link to the projects. Somehow 90% of these posts don't actually link to the amazing projects that their aut…

A lot of more senior coders when they actively try vibe coding a greenfield project find that it does actually work. But only for the first ~10kloc. After that the AI, no matter how well you try to prompt it, will start to destroy existing features accidentally, will add unnecessary convoluted logic to the code, will leave benhind dead code, add random traces "for backwards compatibility", will avoid doing the correc…

> But only for the first ~10kloc

Then let me introduce you to a useful concept:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by WillPostForFood »

frank_nitti wrote: post #176
WillPostForFood wrote: post #160

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Don't you think it has gotten an order of magnitude better in the last 1-2 years? If it only requires another an order of magnitude improvement to full-on replace coders, how long do you think that will take?

Who is liable for the runtime behavior of the system, when handling users’ sensitive information? If the person who is liable for the system behavior cannot read/write code (as “all coders have been replaced”), does Anthropic et al become responsible for damages to end users for systems its tools/models build? I assume not. How do you reconcile this? We have tools that help engineers design and build bridges, but I s…

Who is responsible now when human coding errors leak user's sensitive information? I'm not seeing programmers held up as the responsible party. The companies who own the code are vaguely responsible, so it will be the same.

The bridge scenario is simply addressed: Licensed Engineer has to approve designs. Permitting review process has to review designs. Not sure it matters who drafted them initially.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by rafabulsing »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #503
rafabulsing wrote: post #498

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> Well the person you're responding to didn't say anything like that. They're saying he's unqualified. When they said "It's the appearance of productivity, not actual productivity.", that does very much sound to me like an accusation that he is pretending or trying to deceive you into thinking he's a super productive person. > And do they work? If he's failing or fooling himself then a big chunk of his podcasting is…

> Really? I mean, let's look at some concrete examples. That's not his most recent video, it's a fix of a 2022 video. And the channel still had pretty good output 3-4 years ago. I compared the nickels video instead, to the worst ID system in America, and they seemed to be similar levels of embellished slideshow. > By definition, I'm not aware of stuff he's not made public. I thought you meant paid access stuff and it…

> That's not his most recent video, it's a fix of a 2022 video.

That's fair, I didn't notice that.

> I compared the nickels video instead, to the worst ID system in America, and they seemed to be similar levels of embellished slideshow.

He still has videos that are simpler. But back then he had nothing that came even close to those big productions he releases from time to time.

> I thought you meant paid access stuff and it's easy to see a list of those. If you're suggesting secret videos then uh maybe but that's kind of a weird assumption.

I'm suggesting he may work on stuff other than videos. Like non-general public facing/non personality driven businesses. Like Cortex Brand, and the Standard stuff before it. He obviously talked a lot about the Cortex Brand stuff, but he kept Standard on the down low. I don't cite Standard as a reason that he is not putting out videos right now, I cite Standard as evidence he isn't necessarily shouting from the rooftops every time he creates a business. So it stands to reason that he may have had other similarly "secret" ventures over the years.

> That might be the answer but it seems like a waste of his productivity potential.

I don't consume their products (they seem nice but they're far too expensive for my third world salary), so selfishly I'd also prefer if he focused more of his time on the videos. But that's an entirely different conversation from "he just pretends to be productive and actually gets next to nothing done".

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by qingcharles »

aeldidi wrote: post #298

There's an odd trend with these sorts of posts where the author claims to have had some transformative change in their workflow brought upon by LLM coding tools, but also seemingly has nothing to show for it. To me, using the most recent ChatGPT Codex (5.3 on "Extra High" reasoning), it's incredibly obvious that while these tools are surprisingly good at doing repetitive or locally-scoped tasks, they immediately fall…

LLMs have made a huge transformative change in my coding. For some projects 95% of the code is written by LLMs. This is all on internal projects and internal tools right now, though, because on the external projects I'm still easing into using it in a very carefully curated way, e.g. a method or an algorithm at a time, rather than a 10KLOC folder full of class files. These internal products are 95% of the work being done, though. It's just that they are under tight control when they are running locally and bugs and crashes are immediately visible and it's easy to debug and deploy fixes, unlike with say web-based stuff on a remote server.

So, I've very little to publicly show for all my obnoxious LLM advocacy. I wonder if any others are in the same boat?

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by qingcharles »

joquarky wrote: post #511
Maxion wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of more senior coders when they actively try vibe coding a greenfield project find that it does actually work. But only for the first ~10kloc. After that the AI, no matter how well you try to prompt it, will start to destroy existing features accidentally, will add unnecessary convoluted logic to the code, will leave benhind dead code, add random traces "for backwards compatibility", will avoid doing the correc…

> But only for the first ~10kloc Then let me introduce you to a useful concept: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns

This X 100.

I've learned with LLM coded apps to break stuff into very small manageable chunks so they can work on the tiny piece and not get screwed by big context.

For the most part, this actually produces a cleaner codebase.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by lostmsu »

consp wrote: post #150
lostmsu wrote: post #53

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AI is great, harness don't matter (I just use codex). Use state of the art models. GPT-5.2 fixed my hanging WiFi driver: https://gist.github.com/lostmsu/a0cdd213676223fc7669726b3a24...

Fixing mediatek drivers is not the flex you think it is.

The goalposts are moving by so fast they look like atom thick planks to me.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by coffeefirst »

elevatortrim wrote: post #284
coffeefirst wrote: post #211

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I actually don’t think the author wants to become a real manager, he wants to play a video game where he sends NPCs around to do stuff. Real managers deal with coaching, ownership, feelings, politics, communication, consensus building, etc. The people who are good at it like setting other people up to win.

As a manager who is trying to do all the things you listed well, I would love it to be more like a game sending NPCs around. Ignoring the macro implications of AI, even if very successful at or resistant to it, I’d think there would be very, very few people who are actively seeking people drama. Educating kids can be fun, but educating adults in the business domain is almost always a drag as in any given professional…

Huh. Can’t speak for everyone, but big, messy cross functional problems where you need 5 different types of experts to build a shared mental model is my jam. Maybe it’s a culture thing but I rarely encounter technologists resistant to learning how other teams work.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by h4kunamata »

What is different here?? This is what companies worldwide are doing already, using AI, any, to fully automate everything.

Some are learning the hard way why you shouldn't do that having to hire freelancer developers the fix their entire code.

I spoke with a friend who is also in IT, the company he works for is full on into AI, everything is done or managed by AI, they only hit the button. Dude was describing their infrastructure and projects like if AI was a God.

Those are gonna be the first ones to fall, because they aren't using AI to improve their work, they are using AI to completely take over, full access to projects, full access to infrastructures, you name it.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by irishcoffee »

fragmede wrote: post #466
irishcoffee wrote: post #405

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If you want to get into embedded you’d be better suited learning how to use an o-scope, a meter, and asm/c. If you’re using any sort of hardware that isn’t “mainstream” you’ll be pretty bummed at the results from an LLM.

Why not both? An LLM as a tutor, for the o-scope, meter, and assembly is pretty good at getting you unstuck. It doesn't have to do everything for you. It can do the parts you're not interested in and you can focus on the parts that are interesting to you.

I asked an LLM (google search LLM result) how to install steam on Rocky 9 without flatpak this evening, and it completely fucked it up. The correct answer were 3 dnf commands I found on reddit.

I don't know if I'd trust an LLM to teach an o-scope.

Re: OpenClaw is changing my life

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Post by athrowaway3z »

chickensong wrote: post #506
athrowaway3z wrote: post #452

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My agents get auto-injected with the core spec via pi-extention. I have an idea, agent turns it into a draft, depending on idea vagueness/complexity combination of: Looking for alternative, plan the change, look for alternative, split up into smaller drafts to drive separately, execute change (spec, code, tests), review change. Usually its just: Draft, plan, exec, commit. The steps are flexible enough. Usually each s…

Thanks for the write up. I'm starting to consider enhancing my setup and building on pi sounds interesting. I have a similar core workflow, but I'm still tied to CC's interface and I can see how it might be nice to have something a bit more custom.

The great thing about pi is that:

- the smaller context and default-off for thinking make it extremely fast (thinking is a dead-end bitter lesson imo)

- the source is available; and organized specifically to make it easy for agents to write and test extensions. Just launch pi in the pi-mono directory, and it will turn your idea into an extension in no time.

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