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Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Americans, where will you realize that the longer you wait, the worse it will get ? The whole country should be in the streets now. You guys are fast tracking your way into a dictatorship, and unfortunately you may drag the entire Western world with you. The videos from this are numerous and very clear about what happened. And yet, all the officials are telling that a guy is a domestic terrorist and approached ICE of…

That's right. What you don't understand is that we must and can only move in resonance with our understanding and with the mass and momentum we are capable of. It's painfully slow, I know. Please be encouraging. We are being harassed by the "commander" of the (formerly) most powerful military in the world. He is a psychopath nobody can deny.

We MUST find our power and our power is NOT violence. But our power is MORE POWERFUL THAN VIOLENCE.

And when as you find it I hope you will see it in you and your people and realize that you too had it all along.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Why is this being hidden off of the main HN pages? There are clearly enough points for it to be significantly up weighted. I don’t understand the censorship.

The censorship is cranked up on every site now, presumably due to fear of retaliation from this admin. They are hyper online, and threaten any companies business deals if they feel slighted. Its why you can get banned on reddit now for quoting the president.

This site has always been easy to co-opt to fascism with their supposedly apolitical outlook. Flagging from unknown accounts easily kills stories of importance, even where they have relation to the supposed interests of the site. Such as the AI altered image being posted by the White House this week.

The idea we have to treat arguments in good faith like the other user in this story excusing fascist death squads show how well this moderation approach aligns with the Thiel-ite sympathies.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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I don't know why people are still wasting time with protests and filming. The murderous Nazis won't learn until the people of Minneapolis deal with them the way Afghans dealt with imperialist invaders in Afghanistan. There is another three-letter acronym starting with I that comes to mind.

Think about why the administration and its backers lie so frequently: they know they’re lying, and they know that evidence will come out showing that they’re lying, but they’re gambling on a lot of people being busy and not following the story closely enough to realize how misleading the initial claims were.

They do that because their policies are unpopular and they would lose power if most people voted. That’s why these videos matter: it’s probably not going to convince the MAGA diehards to recant but they’re shocking enough that anyone more patriotic than that might realize that this is far more than normal politics.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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So if you exercise your second amendment right and ICE goons harass you they'll freak out that you're "armed" and execute you.

2A only gives you the right to buy the gun, not actually use it for its intended purposes

DC v Heller?

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Watch this at the 5 secod mark[]. It looks like the agent that picked up the disarmed gun had his finger on it and ND'd the initial shot. He jolts his arm right as the first shot goes off. Then all the other officer panic and fire. Edit: ND = negligent discharge [] https://x.com/sentdefender/status/2015145197965881786

This doesn't hold to scrutiny. The ICE agent that was first to shoot was the same agent to fire the most shots, I'm led to believe he was the ONLY one that fired shots.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted. More details on the armed struggle are forthcoming." This has already been proven to be a lie thanks to the five different videos of the incident in question. They shot him after removing his legal weapon for concealed carry that he was permitted to have on his person.

Show me one of them. Show me how you think it demonstrates such a thing. Make sure it is something that starts well before the actual apprehension.

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qlvpbr/footage_of_the...

Prediction: no answer

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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I don't know why people are still wasting time with protests and filming. The murderous Nazis won't learn until the people of Minneapolis deal with them the way Afghans dealt with imperialist invaders in Afghanistan. There is another three-letter acronym starting with I that comes to mind.

Think about why the administration and its backers lie so frequently: they know they’re lying, and they know that evidence will come out showing that they’re lying, but they’re gambling on a lot of people being busy and not following the story closely enough to realize how misleading the initial claims were. They do that because their policies are unpopular and they would lose power if most people voted. That’s why t…

Trump-voting but not dedicated-to-evil relatives I know (I have others who are dedicated to evil, they're beyond hope—incidentally, this is a whole thing in Republican circles, folks who haven't been around actual red-state Republicans since the '90s or so have no idea how common some really shocking views about the validity of state violence on people who annoy or politically oppose them are, they outright like this stuff and there are minimum 50 million people like that in this country) are mostly doing the "well both sides say different things and the truth is probably somewhere in the middle" thing about all of this stuff, and refusing to watch the videos that would quickly show them that no, only one side is saying anything at all connected to the truth.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some guy comes into your restaurant and eats a meal. Pays cash. Leaves. He was ICE. You're now subject to charges from the state of Minnesota? That sounds like maybe not entirely the best idea.

If only the courts has some experience arbitrating intent and negligence. You've truly found a loophole.

My point is that the OPs goal of preventing transactions with federal employees is impractical, so I'm not sure what you want me to say here.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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I think the unease many people feel here is that this strict bureaucracy taken to its extreme conclusion would become something akin to a tragicomical farce: "No posts about the controversial nukes raining over Europe allowed, such flamewars would destroy our valuable forum for discussing the really interesting and intellectual political topics". Clearly there must be a line somewhere. It was not here and today, but…

Bureaucracy? ouch! Yes, when you bring up extreme scenarios such as nuclear war (or civil war, as slg did - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46746817 ), that's a way of saying that we're fiddling-while-rome-burns, burying-head-in-sand, etc. The problem is that you're assuming your conclusion by invoking those scenarios. That doesn't make the argument stronger. I agree that the probability of such scenarios is not…

First of all I want to thank you for the thoughtful and candid reply. It has increased my faith in the moderation some, not because you have convinced me or I agree with you, but because it shows you are thinking in nuanced ways about this and engaging with the actual issues (and not just adhering without question to some written mandate).

I actually also agree fully with your analysis of the fundamentals here, just not your wider perspective.

Yes, I fully agree there is a risk of changing HN to the worse for no reason. But doing the right thing in uncertain times always carries a risk. As seen in this very story we are discussing: Alex Pretti risked his life filming the violent ICE agents, for very uncertain gain, and ultimately paid the price. I still think he did the right thing. Compared to the price Alex paid, "a worse HN" seems like a risk worth taking.

And no, I don't think allowing more controversial topics on HN will make a major difference in the context of world politics (or prevent the apocalypse). But when it comes to things like these everyone will always feel too "small" to matter, and the end result if we listen to that feeling will be that no one does anything instead of everyone doing something to improve the situation.

I'm not spending my time arguing here because I think it will change the course of history, that my posts will actually change the moderation policies of HN, or because I think that by doing so I would save the world. I'm doing it because it's a minor line in the sand I could draw in a community I am active in, and it's better to try to do what we can (however minor) than just giving up. No one can do everything, but everyone can do something, etc etc.

I don't think we will reach any agreement regarding the wider perspective today, but I do feel like I have gotten the nuanced answer I requested regarding the moderation policy of HN in the context of the current mayhem going on (beyond just avoiding flamewars). So, again, thank you for that.

Re: Man shot and killed by federal agents in south Minneapolis this morning

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From a semi-corrupt country, ie being somewhere between Africa and the developed world, I can only suggest to fellow USians courage and patience three more years. Times will come good again. A corrupt leader is very difficult to change and things seem grim because he has captured all three forms of power.

Why do you think things will change in 3 years? All indications are that this is just the way the country is trending and, at any rate, it's prone to making 180 degree turns every 4 years anyway.
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