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Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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And your political views are clouding your judgment of what a proper response to disease is. If surgical masks are insufficient because people are getting Covid sitting in rooms with others re-breathing the same air for hours, then valid solutions are to remove the people from the environment, remove the hazard from the environment, or provide better means to protect people from the environment, not increase people's…

I think you're taking things a bit too personally here and being defensive, and a bit hostile. We can stay decent and dignified on hacker news, right?

Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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Noting that it is straw man to connect my argument with vaccine skepticism. The mass psychosis was that early on in the COVID response, we were hearing so much early advice from people that were ahead of CDC/FDA, things like: - Masks work (CDC/FDA discouraged, then flip-flopped and took credit for these things) despite it originating from Scott Alexander and skeptic communities like his, I also heard it from Tim Ferr…

> Noting that it is straw man to connect my argument with vaccine skepticism. I don't think you know what a straw man is [0] > Does that answer your question, and feel referential for you. No, lol? I was asking for you to cite a reference to a reputable source, not go on a whole Covid misinformation rant. To add, you still haven't demonstrated where/how the word "psychosis" supposedly came into popular use for any of…

You misrepresented my position to make it easier to attack.

When I brought up the position(s) that people who asked questions or were curious about certain topics got shut down and labeled as having psychosis you responded with bringing is a representation of my position as vaccine skepticism.

I remember hearing about psychosis in popular mainstream media. Look I can see you have a strong opinion and belief system around what "reputable" means, and won't actually ever communicate it to me since you are the arbiter of truth and justice - You can look it up what the psychosis is yourself. You seem to like Wikipedia so start there.

Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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> Noting that it is straw man to connect my argument with vaccine skepticism. I don't think you know what a straw man is [0] > Does that answer your question, and feel referential for you. No, lol? I was asking for you to cite a reference to a reputable source, not go on a whole Covid misinformation rant. To add, you still haven't demonstrated where/how the word "psychosis" supposedly came into popular use for any of…

You misrepresented my position to make it easier to attack. When I brought up the position(s) that people who asked questions or were curious about certain topics got shut down and labeled as having psychosis you responded with bringing is a representation of my position as vaccine skepticism. I remember hearing about psychosis in popular mainstream media. Look I can see you have a strong opinion and belief system ar…

> You misrepresented my position to make it easier to attack.

I said "is sounding like", not "is", obviously signaling I was making an assumption, which you were free to correct. Given your diatribe that followed, I don't think I was far off the mark though.

> people who asked questions or were curious about certain topics got shut down

This is a very common phrasing from those in conspiracy-theory land - I've seen the same with flat-earthers and the like, everyone is "just asking questions". But they're not, they're pushing an agenda, whether that's misinformation or policy change (or both).

> Look I can see you have a strong opinion and belief system around what "reputable" means

Can you share a link to a site - any site - that isn't 4chan or some nutty, obviously conspiratorial source? Otherwise what are we doing here, just saying whatever we want without any evidence? Does this seem like the kind of behaviour expected of discourse on HN to you?

Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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>Human languages start to evolve in a direction that could be considered more coherent than before Guttural vocalizations accompanied by frantic gesturing towards a mobile device, or just silence and showing of LLM output to others?

I was primarily discussing written language in my post, as that's easier to speculate on. That said, if most people turn into hermits and start living in pods around this period, then I think you would be in the right direction.

Eventually the spacers will depopulate the planet and we'll live alone. The robotics aren't quite there yet though.

Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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> It won't turn most people into architects. It will turn them into PMs That sounds awful. Every PM I've ever met, I did their job for them. They did nothing. And I've met some heavy hitter PMs with a lot of stripes and recommendations. The job of being a PM is over-exaggerated. It boils down to writing things down and bringing them up later. Something I ended up doing for them, because they didn't know enough to kno…

You've described PMs running circles around you and you still can't see it. They didn't need to praise you or pressure you. They seem to have all caught on that your button is let you feel smarter than them. You did their job, did a bunch of physical typing they would otherwise have to do themselves, and walked away thinking you won. Meanwhile they're pulling the same or greater comp, working half the hours, and "dri…

Considering every time they left not a single thing changed, as though they were never there, because I was the one actually organizing the projects, I doubt they were running circles around me. Likely dicking around with Jira for 5 hours to siphon money from our company instead of actually organizing the project.

> Meanwhile they're pulling the same or greater comp, working half the hours, and "drinking beers with important people" is an accepted part of their job

You took the words right out of my mouth. Almost like it's a made up job and not the real work that needs to get done.

Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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self-driving cars are only 5 years away, just like 10 years ago

"Airplanes are only 5 years away, just like 10 years ago" --Some guy in 1891. Never use your phrase to say something is impossible. I mean there are driverless Waymo's on the street in my area so your statement is already partially incorrect.

absolutely no one said that in 1891

Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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That's a nice anecdote, and I agree with the sentiment - skill development comes from practice. It's tempting to see using AI as free lunch, but it comes with a cost in the form of skill atrophy. I reckon this is even the case when using it as an interactive encyclopedia, where you may lose some skill in searching and aggregating information, but for many people the overall trade off in terms of time and energy savin…

"I reckon this is even the case when using it as an interactive encyclopedia". Yes, that is my experience. I have done some C# projects recently, a language I am not familiar with. I used the interactive encylopedia method, "wrote" a decent amount of code myself, but several thousand lines of production code later, I don't I know C# any better than when I started. OTOH, it seems that LLMs are very good at compiling p…

It's even more general than that: LLMs seem to be exceedingly good at translating bodies of text from one domain to another. The frontier models also have excellent natural language translation capabilities, far surpassing e.g. Google translate.

In that sense, going from pseudocode to a programming language is no different from that, or even translating a piece of code from one programming language to another.

Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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This is true. However, your ability to write specs and validate requirements before starting to build will increase. It’s just trading deep hand-on expertise for deep product/spec expertise. No different than how riding the bus all the time instead of driving results in different skill development (assuming productive time on the bus).

I think there is a big difference. You could and should have both knowledge. This applies to whether you're a lowly programmer or a CEO. Knowing the details will always help you make better decisions.

That’s the credo I’ve lived my life by, but I’ve come to believe it’s not entirely true: knowing the details can lead to ratholes and blurring requirements / solutions / etc. Some of the best execs I’ve met are good precisely because they focus on the business layer, and delegate / rely on others to abstract out the details.

I can’t do that. But I’m coming around to the value in it.

Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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This reminds me of the recurring pattern with every new medium: Socrates worried writing would destroy memory, Gutenberg's critics feared for contemplation, novels were "brain softening," TV was the "idiot box." That said, I'm not sure "they've always been wrong before" proves they're wrong now. Where I'm skeptical of this study: - 54 participants, only 18 in the critical 4th session - 4 months is barely enough time…

Soapbox time. They were arguably right. Pre literate peole could memorise vast texts (Homer's work, Australian Aboriginal songlines). Pre Gutenberg, memorising reasonably large texts was common. See, e.g. the book Memory Craft. We're becoming increasingly like the Wall E people, too lazy and stupid to do anything without our machines doing it for us, as we offload increasing amounts onto them. And it's not even that…

> Pre literate peole could memorise vast texts

Pre literate peole HAD TO memorise vast texts

Re: Your brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of cognitive debt when using an AI assistant

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Elk (Eclipse Layout Kernel) is a very good package solving that, you might want to check it's Javascript port https://github.com/kieler/elkjs

I'd briefly come across Elk, but couldn't tell how it was better than what I was using. The examples I could find all showed far simpler graphs than what we had, and nothing that seemed to address the problems we had, but maybe I should give it another look, because I've kinda lost faith that dagre is going to do what we need. If I can explain briefly what our issue is: we've got a really complex graph, and need to s…

Our graphs are hierarchical, can contain cycles, too and have a bunch of directed subgraphs. We reach 500 nodes with 20k ports and 10k edges and "getting the graph" is still possible but takes a bit of practice. Cycle breaking is okish for us, because there is a strong asymmetry between many "forward" and much less "backwards" edges that makes the heuristics succeed often.
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