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Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by derwiki »

rimbo789 wrote: post #129

We need to massive restrict when and where ads can be shown in all aspects of our society. No ads in ai at all. Ever. No targeted ads, no unskipable ads, limit ratio of ads to content in video, no roadside billboards, reign in the size of ads on buildings. Ads are a blight on our society and purging them from many areas will greatly improve quality of life.

“Only on TV and radio. And in magazines and movies and at ball games, on buses and milk cartons and T-shirts and bananas and written on the sky. But not in dreams. No, sir-ee!”

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by derwiki »

reactordev wrote: post #111
glouwbug wrote: post #99

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Reddit generates its revenue with schadenfreude, YouTube and AAA games with GenAI (see: Ghibli in Call of Duty, and fast growing AI channels like Nick Invests or Bernard with “Why it Sucks to be X”). On my shelf from the corner of my eye I see “Understanding the Linux Kernel”. It’s outdated, but it comes from a time of peer review and subject matter experts. I don’t need to double guess if the author is hallucinating…

Vinyl and Paperbacks…

2026 is the year of the audio cassette!

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by fsflover »

prmoustache wrote: post #501
fsflover wrote: post #303

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If there is a payment, there is a good chance to track it.

Youtubers happily do "reviews" in exchange of receiving stuff, regardless if they can keep it or not. They also know that if they are too critical they may not receive anything more and they don't have any material to review. This was already true on paper magazines. No money is exchanged in the process.

Payment can indeed be made with goods.

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by parineum »

anal_reactor wrote: post #409
parineum wrote: post #246

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People don't really care to address that most of the mom and pop businesses that went out of business because Walmart/Amazon weren't offering better products or services. They got their products through the same retail suppliers, just at higher costs and the variety of choices was much lower. They also had much less generous return policies. There's a personal touch that people opine for but I think that's rose color…

> then I can go socialize with people I choose to In the previous comment I was about to say it but then stopped myself: the same thing happened to human relations. Competition isn't local, it's global. In dating you aren't competing against the rest of your village, you're literally competing against the whole planet, because the cute girl you see at the office can get a Tinder match from a guy in Australia and ther…

> If you're not, well, welcome to capitalism.

Is this why people are so anti capitalism, because they think everything is capitalism?

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by account42 »

Marsymars wrote: post #390
Aurornis wrote: post #192

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> The new business line will cost about $2M in software dev, and $3M for the new facility. The advertising budget? $40,000,000 (annual). The reason the advertising budget is such a high number and a recurring charge is that effective advertising returns an ROI on each dollar spent. If the software budget was increased 10X to $20 million, would the company get 10X as many customers? No. What about the facility? If you…

> Every dollar you spend on advertising provides additional customers. If you’re just taking these customers from competitors, the marginal utility can be pretty low. e.g. If you consider a world where there are no ads for cars, people aren’t going to meaningfully lose out of the utility they get from cars, carmakers simply avoid the prisoner’s dilemma of having to advertise as much as the next manufacturer.

Exactly, an a perfectly competitive industry, advertising just ends up eating all profit.

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Post by account42 »

Anon1096 wrote: post #426
Marsymars wrote: post #390

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> Every dollar you spend on advertising provides additional customers. If you’re just taking these customers from competitors, the marginal utility can be pretty low. e.g. If you consider a world where there are no ads for cars, people aren’t going to meaningfully lose out of the utility they get from cars, carmakers simply avoid the prisoner’s dilemma of having to advertise as much as the next manufacturer.

The world isn't zero sum, advertising grows the pie for all involved. One of the best examples would be the iphone when it was released. Even in your example category of cars Tesla and later Rivian/Lucid/BYD marketing was a game changer for electric vehicles. Very few ads are for products where exact 1:1 competitors exist (though it's nonzero, maybe something like a commingled Amazon Basics widget).

Most peoples budgets are zero sum.

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Post by Bjartr »

prmoustache wrote: post #499
Bjartr wrote: post #203

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YouTube premium delivers the content you select to consume to you without displaying ads in-platform. If you then use that ad-free platform to consume content that includes ads, that's on you.

That doesn't change the fact that you are still getting delivered ads so it is not ad-free.

Correct, if you choose to seek out content with ads, you will see ads. Would YouTube premium need to block you from viewing that content to meet your bar here?

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Post by account42 »

ElFitz wrote: post #378
prmoustache wrote: post #167

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I am all for it but it would be hard to enforce. Ads are already hidden everywhere. Someone "review" a product? Most of the time it is a hidden ad even if the reviewer hasn't been paid with money for that. Watches a movie or a video clip? A lots of products are advertised through close ups on the logos, etc.

Even a sign on the street is basically an ad. That plastic cow or pig head telling you there’s a butcher or cheesemonger? It’s basically an ad. Possibly one of the oldest type too!

So? What argument are you trying to make? We can ban what most people consider ads while still letting reasonable store signs stay if we want to.

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Post by account42 »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #163
MontyCarloHall wrote: post #6

I think ads will inevitably roll out across all tiers, even the expensive paid ones. Ad revenue isn't uniformly distributed across users, but rather heavily skewed towards the wealthiest users, exactly the users most able to purchase an ad-free experience. The users paying $20 or $200/month for premium tiers of ChatGPT are precisely the ones you don't want to exclude from generating ad revenue. Google realized this a…

>Google realized this a long time ago; there is no ad-free paid version of Google Search. Google actually experimented with this about a decade ago (I know, I was one of the suckers who paid), but it got canned because why the fuck would you pay google when u-bloc is free? Companies absolutely will offer ad-free experiences. Google has youtube premium, which even compensates creators with half your sub as well. Evenl…

> Companies absolutely will offer ad-free experiences.

That is always at best a temporary affair.

> Google has youtube premium, which even compensates creators with half your sub as well.

And those creators still put ads in their videos.

> And no, blocking is not an option, it just offloads costs onto honest users.

Ad-free is the only option I am agreeing to.

Re: Predicting OpenAI's ad strategy

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Post by account42 »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #87
likium wrote: post #77

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Go plans at $8 are getting ads too. Netflix introduced a paid plan with ads, and it is more profitable.

sure but if Netflix keeps up its transition to cable then more people will return to the high seas.

Won't affect the promotion of the managers that made the number go up with ads.
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