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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by danans »

idontwantthis wrote: post #121
danans wrote: post #95

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> but plugins get closer to the less efficient alternative (regular hybrid) the more you use them. As long as most of your drive cycle fits within the EV range of the plugin hybrid, they are cheaper to operate than a regular hybrid. The crossover point depends on the drive cycle and the cost of electricity vs gasoline. I had a plug-in hybrid SUV that got 2.2miles/kWh in EV mode, which covered 75% of the miles I drove…

But the problem is that means you drove a minuscule amount so if you’d bought a hybrid you would have still used very little gas and your car would have been much cheaper. Generously, the full range of a plugin hybrid is equivalent to about a gallon of gas.

> But the problem is that means you drove a minuscule amount so if you’d bought a hybrid you would have still used very little gas and your car would have been much cheaper.

A 2023 Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (38 miles EV range) costs less than a 2023 Toyota Highlander Hybrid with the same mileage on the odometer, and far less than Land Rover or other luxury SUV brands.

I bought my Outlander used - also was a great deal.

The real way dumb money loses is by buying new cars, not by choosing an electric drivetrain.

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Post by autoexec »

spiderice wrote: post #398
autoexec wrote: post #216

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> Wahhh I bought my car to make a statement and now it makes the wrong statement and I am self-conscious about it!!”. I I read it exactly the opposite. Somebody bought a car not because they were making a statement but just because they thought it was cool, only to find out later Elon was a nazi nutjob, and they don't want people to think they bought it because they share the same views.

Nobody thinks you share the same views as the CEO of your car company. Jesus. GP is right. It makes them seem utterly self-conscious.

People absolutely do. Elon, Trump, and his supporters have politicized the cars (https://www.the-sun.com/motors/11906310/trump-rally-cybertru...) and now the connection is to be expected.

It's not surprising since people don't really have meaningful representation in government and have to resort to trying to hit companies where it hurts in order effect change whether that means boycotting a car company because of a CEO, or boycotting a beer because of a trans person in an instagram ad.

Unfortunate as it is, what you buy and where you shop is very much a political statement.

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Post by BrenBarn »

jeffbee wrote: post #211
staplers wrote: post #203

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Class tourism is a succinct term here. Blending in with hardworking blue collar Americans is a whole marketing industry in itself.

Blending in with imaginary people, you mean. Every single actual blue collar worker who needs a truck for that purpose drives a 1997 Toyota Tacoma.

I searched this thread for "Tacoma" to see if anyone was mentioning this. (A few other comments had similar sentiments as well.) It's so true. I live half a block from an auto shop that is well patronized by small-time gardeners, contractors, etc. A sizable proportion of the vehicles there at any time are 20- to 30-year-old Tacomas.

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Post by cheschire »

omnimus wrote: post #496
queuebert wrote: post #480

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You're out of touch with the working class. Some people practically live in these trucks. A little comfort goes a long way toward making their day bearable. Leather is easy to clean, power adjustment makes the seat more comfortable. Auto wipers, climate, etc., help them focus on the calls they're taking. And so on. Fleets of these are bought for commercial purposes as well. Companies wouldn't spend that kind of money…

Maybe you are out of touch. I bet even many people here think it's mainly virtue signaling. I mean… do any of the commercial services in US use pickup trucks? It seems to all be vans? Why not to get a van then as a contractor?

I see commercial lawn services driving in pickups a lot. It's a job that benefits from the open bed.

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Post by m463 »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #133
mdavid626 wrote: post #22

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I disagree that EV-s are held back by misconceptions. More their price and range.

Range is the misconception, because people view range through the "sit and fill up then drive till empty" paradigm. That is not how EVs work or how they should be used. They should be charged overnight/when you are doing something else, and on road trips should be charged to align with other stops even if those stops are 10 minutes. It's rare that I have ever done the "sit in the car for 40 minutes waiting for charge…

people forget all the stuff they had to figure out about ICE cars when they first started.

Like:

- turn off the engine in your garage

- don't hold the ignition switch on and break the starter

- don't smoke cigarettes while filling up with gasoline

- the heater doesn't come on until the engine is warm

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Post by linkage »

fortran77 wrote: post #482

I'm surprised S sales are so low. I would have thought they'd be much better than the cybertruck.

Cars are almost a niche form factor at this point (sadly). The Mercedes-Benz GLS vastly outsells the S-class, and the same holds true for the BMW X7 vs. 7-series.

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Post by somerandomqaguy »

Workaccount2 wrote: post #133
mdavid626 wrote: post #22

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I disagree that EV-s are held back by misconceptions. More their price and range.

Range is the misconception, because people view range through the "sit and fill up then drive till empty" paradigm. That is not how EVs work or how they should be used. They should be charged overnight/when you are doing something else, and on road trips should be charged to align with other stops even if those stops are 10 minutes. It's rare that I have ever done the "sit in the car for 40 minutes waiting for charge…

So.... what happens when you don't have at home charging, or it's too limited to give you any meaningful range?

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Post by aembleton »

rootusrootus wrote: post #393
bluGill wrote: post #230

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Electric cars still need maintenance. They don't get regular oil changes, but they wear out tires sooner. They have more recalls in general than ICE (this will likely change, but manufactures are still learning how to make EVs reliable). The parts of a car that are not common with EVs don't break for the first 100k miles, and almost nobody is using the dealer for cars that old. There is plenty of other work that is c…

> they wear out tires sooner. This is dependent on how you drive them. EVs are fun, so you get a disproportionate number of people driving them aggressively. That's hard on tires. If you drive normal, you get normal tire life.

EVs are typically heavier than ICE cars so will cause more tyre wear.

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Post by derektank »

wffurr wrote: post #413
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #363

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I think the problem is Trucks are a visible lifestyle preferences that does not align with yours.

You can have all the weird lifestyle preferences you want that don't involve conspicuous waste of natural resources and accelerating anthropogenic climate change.

Are we not talking about electric vehicles here?

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Post by GloriousKoji »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #420
Hamuko wrote: post #404

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If you don't use your brakes and just regen all the time, you run the risk of having your brakes rust. https://nrsbrakes.com/blogs/supporting-articles/the-unused-b...

Yes, you are encouraged to slam on your brakes at least once a month to get the rust off. I live on the west coast (rain but low humidity and hardly any snow), so its less of an issue.

You'd think with all that electronics it would be smart enough to use real brakes every now and then. The plug in hybrid Prius runs the gas engine every 100 miles or so.
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