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Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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Do you have a source for this claim?

https://www.apple.com/au/legal/privacy/data/en/apple-adverti...

This very page explains that they use "local, on-device processing" and a "random identifier not tied to your Apple Account."

So while the letter of your claim is technically true, it's also very misleading.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

Nothing about OpenAI is clean. Their complete org is controlled by Altmann, who was able to rehire himself after he was fired. Anthropic doesn't have a single data centre, they rent from AWS/Microsoft/Google.

Also: they've dealt with Google for default search engine deals before even through the early Android/iPhone competition days (and for early iPhone Weather, Stocks, etc.) It's a familiar enough dynamic.

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> if there wasn’t a forcing function then “Apple Picks Gemini to Power Siri” wouldn’t be the headline A pair four-trillion dollar companies striking a deal in the hottest technology space since the internet getting headline treatment is not evidence of a forcing function.

Them having bolted on ChatGPT in the ugly way they did is evidence though. Their naff image generation tool (Playground) is further evidence. Apple are definitely panicking. And they should be too.

Not enough things are referred to as naff these days, which is funny because there's so much naff shit knocking around.

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> Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door They don't though, Android is clearly ahead in AI integration (even Samsung are running TV ads mocking iPhones AI capability) yet still iPhones sales are breaking records - the majority of their phone buyers still prefer an iPhone over an AI capable other phone. They can take their time to develop AI integration that others can't deploy - '…

The reality is that almost nobody actually wants LLMs in their phones. They're not good enough for that usecase, currently - so almost all interactions make the UX worse, currently. Might change in the future, I'm just taking about today in January 2026

I think this is the wrong framing. Nobody cares whether there's an LLM in their phone. What people do want is features like improved Siri (still, debatable beyond setting timers) or other improvements, that could potentially come from LLMs.... if they actually work. So far other providers (such as Amazon Alexa) have struggled to deliver a reliable voice assistant powered by LLMs.

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Apple is always behind on industry trends, but when they adopt them eventually, they become mainstream and cool. This is what will happen with the folding phones this year, if rumors are true.

> but when they adopt them eventually, they become mainstream and cool When was this part last true?

USB-C I guess?

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This clarifies nothing?

Direct quote from their joint statement: "Apple and Google have entered into a multi-year collaboration under which the next generation of Apple Foundation Models will be based on Google's Gemini models and cloud technology. These models will help power future Apple Intelligence features, including a more personalized Siri coming this year." Source: https://blog.google/company-news/inside-google/company-annou...

I think Apple would also still like to publicly say it's Apple's model, not Google's.

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> Definitely. At at this point, Apple just needs to get anything out the door They don't though, Android is clearly ahead in AI integration (even Samsung are running TV ads mocking iPhones AI capability) yet still iPhones sales are breaking records - the majority of their phone buyers still prefer an iPhone over an AI capable other phone. They can take their time to develop AI integration that others can't deploy - '…

The reality is that almost nobody actually wants LLMs in their phones. They're not good enough for that usecase, currently - so almost all interactions make the UX worse, currently. Might change in the future, I'm just taking about today in January 2026

I’m almost certain even something as ad-hoc as Opus 4.5 with access to iOS native APIs at the level of Siri exposed via MCP would run circles around Siri in January 2026.

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> but when they adopt them eventually, they become mainstream and cool When was this part last true?

USB-C I guess?

Weeeeelllll that was mainstream a long long time before they adopted it. And I'm still annoyed that the only devices with Lightning in our house are my Airpods en iPhone mini 12 and wife's iPhone 14 Pro.

Always need to attach an adapter to my Anker chargers and powerbanks.

Re: Apple picks Gemini to power Siri

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If nothing else, this was likely driven by Google being the most stable of the AI labs. Gemini is objectively a good model (whether it's #1 or #5 in ranking aside) so Apple can confidently deliver a good (enough) product. Also for Apple, they know their provider has ridiculously deep pockets, a good understanding and infrastructure in place for large enterprises, and a fairly diversified revenue stream. Going with An…

Counterpoint: iOS’s biggest competitor is Android. They are now effectively funding their competition on a core product interface. I see this as strategically devastating.

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post #506

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The reality is that almost nobody actually wants LLMs in their phones. They're not good enough for that usecase, currently - so almost all interactions make the UX worse, currently. Might change in the future, I'm just taking about today in January 2026

I’m almost certain even something as ad-hoc as Opus 4.5 with access to iOS native APIs at the level of Siri exposed via MCP would run circles around Siri in January 2026.

I strongly agree with this. Frankly even ChatGPT 3.5 could do better. I am baffled that Apple has stuck so stubbornly to whatever insane architecture they have that results in my daily cornucopia of "I'm sorry, I didn't understand" as well as own goals like it forgetting that Apple Music is the only music service I have, or calling a girl I haven't seen in 20 years instead of my wife who has the same first name.
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