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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by GeorgeOldfield »

nine_k wrote: post #255
akagusu wrote: post #249

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No, it is not. Apple went down to the same level of Linux, not Linux that became as good as Apple. Unfortunately today it is a race to the bottom.

As a long-term Linux user, and a regular macOS user, I must say that the motion is mutual. Linux has become way better, and macOS, somehow worse. But resizing and moving windows nearly , and switching between windows (not whole apps) has always been problematic in plain macOS, for reasons mysterious to me.

i agree on the software level, but then we have hardware. M cpus, touchpads, battery life. it's hard to justify using PC hardware.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by bpye »

Saline9515 wrote: post #114
foxandmouse wrote: post #57

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> Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Yes, but Linux is finally in that position, not to mention we're seeing silicon from intel and amd that can compete with the M series on mobile devices.

Linux isn't in position regarding display/UI. It doesn't handles HiDPI (e.g 4K) screen uniformly, leading to a lot of blurry apps depending on the display abstraction used (Wayland/X11) and compositor (GNOME, KDE, etc, all behave differently). Let's not even talk about the case when you have monitors that have different DPI, something that is handled seamlessly by MacOS, unlike Linux where it feels like a d20 roll de…

I'm not going to claim that every compositor/WM handles high DPI well on Linux, however both KDE and Gnome on Wayland are fine in my experience. I actually find that KDE on Wayland handles mixed DPI better than Windows, macOS doesn't really give you enough control to try.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by lurkersince2013 »

rufo wrote: post #416
iLemming wrote: post #185

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One of the most annoying things after installing Tahoe for me, that for no good reason an ordinary app would randomly lose its focus. In the midst of my typing. This is unbelievably preposterous and I just can't stop hating Apple for this crap. How the fuck this is acceptable? I just have no words. What makes it even worse that I couldn't even complain about it on their support pages - they just keep removing my comm…

Random possibility - if you have Bartender installed, it's buggy as shit on Tahoe, and has some really weird stuff it does with hiding the cursor and otherwise changing the focus around. I haven't switched off yet because the alternatives don't anywhere near as much functionality, but I probably will at some point soon, because while the updates have made it somewhat better it's still a pretty terrible experience at…

Avoid using Bartender:

https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1d8a0wv/if_you_are...

https://talk.macpowerusers.com/t/bartender-change-of-ownersh...

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by J_cst »

foxandmouse wrote: post #57
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

> Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Yes, but Linux is finally in that position, not to mention we're seeing silicon from intel and amd that can compete with the M series on mobile devices.

This year's too early, but next year for sure.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by coffeefirst »

pentagrama wrote: post #353

This feels like a surprisingly good moment for Linux desktops to position themselves as real alternatives and actually gain ground. MacOS Tahoe has been heavily criticized for its UI decisions, especially Liquid Glass, which many people feel actively hurts usability rather than improving it. On the other side, Windows keeps piling on user-hostile features, dark patterns, and friction that increasingly frustrate power…

Also alternatives to Office, browsers, and pretty much anyone who can come along and say "we make tools that do what you want them to do."

All of these are longshots, but it really feels like we've hit a historic level of discontent.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by dfunckt »

nine_k wrote: post #484
dfunckt wrote: post #471

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What feels plausible to me is changing the underlying 19x19 px control would break layout of many existing apps, and the design team was hell bent that window corners had to be that round. I’d say it’s simply form over function, and that likely a meta-level argument about user empowerment or whatnot won.

Exactly my point. It was too hard to make the grab box different. It was not too hard to pretend that the hyper-rounded corners would also make some layouts look and maybe act problematic. It was not too hard to splurge time and effort on liquid-glassing the entire UI toolkit. In a word, it's hubris. It's not care about the user, it's not even care about market domination or setting a fashion trend; both have been fl…

Agreed. I think you may be too generous with hubris -- that requires agency, but it may just be incompetence. I don't generally like the "old days" argument, but this is consistent with overall trends -- it's frivolous.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by iamcalledrob »

Surprisingly, this is an issue on Windows and Linux too -- macOS has just joined the sad party.

The location of the drag region is either the 10px-or-so just outside the window (GTK apps), or just inside the window (I see this in Electron apps). On GNOME, anyway.

On Windows this is caused by the removal of the thick window border with Win10. It wasn't really removed, it was just made transparent instead, thus the drag region moved outside the visible window to avoid the content size changing (for backwards compatibility). Apps often end up in a broken state too, because if you eschew system decoration, you lose the invisible border (which you don't even know you have), and it's easy to end up with a 1px drag region.

It's infuriating, because of the issue the author highlights -- you try and grab the window corner and fail.

It's a sad state of affairs, and a great example of how the basics are going backwards on desktop.

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