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Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by LeChuck »

IgorPartola wrote: post #500
blackguardx wrote: post #464

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Loading drywall into my minivan is a lot easier than a truck. I can fit whole sheets and close the back gate so I don't need to strap them down and they are protected from the elements.

How about gravel? Fill? A yard of mulch? Manure? Construction debris?

Indeed. When is was remodeling my house, I bought an old van for €2000,- (the successor to the C15, actually) *

I had no compunction to fill it with debris, earth, sand etc. but that’s not something your European tradesman does. He uses a separate trailer.

* https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/2005_Cit...

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by esseph »

notatoad wrote: post #473
MrGilbert wrote: post #410

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> Modules need to be programmed for your vehicle specs and country because there are different laws and functions. So are different intervalls of oil change between Australia and Europe - and yet, even in the 90s, people were able to keep that in mind. We got taught to be helpless by the industry, so they can help us out. If that mindset would have existed in the 60s, 70s, then there would not be a "true to OEM" afte…

We got taught to be helpless by the industry, so they can help us out. industry is pretty damn good at figuring out what customers actually want, instead of just what customer say they want and then don't actually buy. cars are the way they are because that's what the overwhelming majority of car buyers actually want. The average driver doesn't want their car spitting out error codes, they want a check engine light t…

Ah, there is a distinction between new car buyers, and used car buyers.

New car buyers are 10-15% of the annual car market (US).

The other 85-90% of people are stuck with whatever the other people bought.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by esseph »

idiotsecant wrote: post #239
hypercube33 wrote: post #176

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I really want to like the slate but their speakers and tablet holder concept actually are awful. Just a super basic off the shelf din rail hole and aux in and slap the most basic touch screen with physical control stereo you can find in there that does air play and car play works for me. also stereo speakers in the glove box is...what

Who cares. Literally every discussion of vehicles someone has to bring up infotainment systems. You know that getting your dopamine drip is not what a vehicle is for , right?

If I have to drive 2 hours or more every day or 12+ hours for work a few times a month (not in a long time anymore for either), it better be fucking enjoyable.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by Nextgrid »

notatoad wrote: post #509
alextingle wrote: post #505

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Are you sure that's what customers want, or maybe it's what dealers want? The check engine light tells you nothing. It tells your local mechanic nothing. Do you can't get the problem fixed easily or cheaply. What it does, is force you to take the car to a dealer, who has the specialist, proprietary equipment needed to interpret the fault. And these gatekeepers will charge you a fat premium for that. So no. I don't th…

the check engine light tells you there's an OBD code available to be read. you can buy a reader for $20 on amazon, or your local hardware store, or i've even seen them at gas stations. you don't need "specialist proprietary equipment" that "gatekeepers charge a fat premium" for. this isn't magic. most people take it to a mechanic instead, because that's what they'd rather do.

Not entirely correct. OBD only mandates emissions information to be made available in a standardized way.

There are plenty of proprietary codes that might set a malfunction light and not show up on an OBD reader, or not be interpreted by it.

(there are tools that reverse-engineer the proprietary protocols that can show those codes, but they aren't $20 - more like $200 and up)

I really don't see why you're defending hiding information. Even for someone who doesn't want to mess around and would just take it to a dealer, making the information available without the need for a code reader will not hurt in any way.

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Post by [deleted] »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #387
Fiveplus wrote: post #29

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That would be the absolute dream engineering brief. If I actually sit down and design that vehicle, it would have something like this. List, off the top of my head. 1. You keep the modern metallurgy and the crumple zones. You keep ABS and basic traction control because they are solved problems that save lives without needing cloud connectivity. 2. Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in…

I can unlock my doors with my phone and monitor the cars location with my phone with cloud connectivity. This isn't required and was offered as a 5 year free plan with optional paid extensions after How is this bad?

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Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by kalleboo »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #262
Fiveplus wrote: post #29

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That would be the absolute dream engineering brief. If I actually sit down and design that vehicle, it would have something like this. List, off the top of my head. 1. You keep the modern metallurgy and the crumple zones. You keep ABS and basic traction control because they are solved problems that save lives without needing cloud connectivity. 2. Instead of a 2000 USD proprietary touchscreen that will be obsolete in…

>the dashboard could be just a double DIN slot and a heavy-duty, universal tablet mount with a 100W USB-C PD port. The car provides the power and the speakers and my phone provides the maps and music. Legally mandated backup cameras make your idea DOA. In fact, nearly everything terrible about cars in the last decade can be traced to regulations in some way. Wondering why transmissions are insanely complicated and un…

>Legally mandated backup cameras make your idea DOA.

Cheap cars without fancy entertainment systems put the backup camera screen in the rear-view mirror. You can get these kits for like $20 on aliexpress.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by joshu »

jeron wrote: post #208
kube-system wrote: post #157

> The Ford Ranger (2020). One of the most popular pickups in the US. A key selling point is that the cabin is so high you can run over toddlers without even noticing. The craziest thing about this criticism is that it is phrased as hyperbole but the reality is that this is seen as a small truck in the US. The Ford Ranger actually is the best selling pickup truck in Europe for 10 straight years, but doesn’t sell as mu…

I'm probably one of the few people in this thread who are actually truck shopping right now The ranger is a great option for most people but one of my capabilities for the truck is to bring my bike to motorcycle track days. Usually I'd only take a single motorcycle, however track days are more fun with friends. to fit two motorcycles in the back of the Ranger, you need to adjust the angle of the handlebars awkwardly…

Similarly I have been thinking about a van so I can sleep in air conditioning between track day sessions and/or races. I also want to be able to bring materials to my workshop. Not sure what I will do, yet.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by alextingle »

Aurornis wrote: post #160
ultratalk wrote: post #74

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> Modularity would be great too. Unfortunately, that wouldn't pad the car companies' margins. What's best for th consumer is generally worse for the company.

Cars are highly modular. Parts are shared across as many models as possible. Engine series are designed to last 10-15 years. The car makers increase their margins by keeping their cars modular.

You are talking about modularity of design, not aftermarket repairability.

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Post by Earw0rm »

wiseowise wrote: post #73
Earw0rm wrote: post #54

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I must have missed a memo, because every situation in which I've ever wanted to "impress a chick" has taken place indoors, or at least far from roads. And yet lots of guys seem to spend an extra $30k or more on their vehicle for no additional utility beyond that. Literally who is impressed? Then again, these are probably dudes who get their dating advice from the Tate brothers. /shrug

Closeted gays trying to impress other dudes, idk? It’s like those huge bodybuilders: you’re picturing being surrounded by chicks, while realistically it’s other buff dudes miring your physique.

Would explain why the Venn of flash-car dudes, and dudes likely to respond with extreme violence to any implication of gayness, can be described as cos^2t + sin^2t = 1.

(I'm not talking here about actual car _enthusiasts_, people who restore, customize, tweak or otherwise nerd out on performance or driving skills.. the assholes who buy something performance-ish but can't actually drive it well).

IDK though, think it's mostly just lack of critical thinking skill. They see a Mercedes in some music video, assume it's a symbol of wealth and that chicks will dig that, without realising that most women see straight through it.

Re: Allow me to introduce, the Citroen C15

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Post by cromka »

loeg wrote: post #485
ghurtado wrote: post #313

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The reliability of a vehicle isn't just the frequency of breakdowns. It's the frequency of breakdowns times how fucked you are when it does break down. So the actual math also depends on your means and where you live.

Yes, and they're still much better.

Oh, you told them!
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