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Google is dead. Where do we go now?

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Post by vachina »

cyberax wrote: post #443
mikepurvis wrote: post #399

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I just set up a little cube server with a Mini-ITX board I had lying around. Overall I'm very happy with it, but right now it's basically just Unraid with the built-in containers running for Deluge, Jellyfin, and the Crafty minecraft server. I'd love for it to also be a backup of my whole Google Photos account (eg https://github.com/JakeWharton/docker-gphotos-sync ) but honestly I can't imagine trying to maintain an…

> I can't imagine trying to maintain an app on there that would actually be the first class storage/sync/presentation layer for my family. Immich exists. It really is missing only some editing functionality and some nice-to-have features from GPhotos like automatic panoramas. Other than that, it's superior to Google.

Immich feels too heavy for my needs, so I wrote a single executable server that turns my photo directories into a photo gallery (https://github.com/yhling/go-web-image-gallery)

Photo ingestion is via regular samba uploads from my phone.

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Post by cookiengineer »

golem14 wrote: post #439
cookiengineer wrote: post #278

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I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

And yet, here you are, posting ... BTW, I don't explicitly disagree with what you're saying, but it would be good to look at actual data instead of anecdata to know for sure, and the people who have the data are not telling ...

> And yet, here you are, posting ...

Correction, I am posting while pooping. I don't care much about social media these days and I draw the line at the toilet door.

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Post by willturman »

pixl97 wrote: post #277
willturman wrote: post #213

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Revenue generation via advertising is an emergent property of humanity?

100%, but it's not a direct 1:1 relationship. First you need agriculture so people tend to settle in one place. After ag comes more specialization, farmers need houses, graineries, and as society grows social specialists in which we'd call government. These things in an area typically cause the area to grow because of their stability. As they grow you get more than one person/business doing the same line of work and…

I (mis)attributed an element of pre-destination to the word emergent that apparently doesn't map to the word properly used.

That said, there's a petroglyph (circa 1150-1600 CE) of a macaw (among other sign-like petroglyphs)[1] on the walls above the pueblo ruins in Frijoles Canyon in Bandelier National Monument in New Mexico that came to mind when reading your explanation. The pueblo ruins themselves are immediately above an agriculturally developed riverbed floodplain with structures previously used for food storage.

It doesn't seem too far fetched to analogize a macaw above a pueblo in a canyon to, say, a flamingo on a neon sign (Circa 20th century)[2] above a bar along a highway, or an ad on a phone in 2025. Perhaps advertising is emergent (and, dare I say, with an element of pre-destination).

[1] https://www.nps.gov/places/petroglyphs-pueblo-loop-trail-sto...

[2] https://www.flickr.com/photos/25229906@N00/4056975591/

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Post by jwrallie »

senthil_rajasek wrote: post #43

I think the author intended the title to be, "Google Ads is dead, Where do I promote my business now?" When I hear "Google" I assume search, oof (sigh of relief). They mention running ads on tiktok or instagram but no mention of youtube ads... Also, In my own experience for my business ( also entertainment) I have found reddit ads to be useful. So my next steps would be, Reddit Ads Youtube Ads Instagram Ads Increase…

Any suggestions for local business? Things that operate only within a specified area. Google worked well for those.

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Post by supriyo-biswas »

echelon wrote: post #87
AznHisoka wrote: post #83

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AI SEO is where the attention is going, with ChatGPT/Claude/Gemini/Google AI Overviews replacing the need for people to visit websites

It's unnatural to search an LLM for a product. It's why Alexa never became a shopping portal. Best way to get the word out about a product now is through an influencer in the space. -- Edit: Show of hands for anyone using ChatGPT to shop. Be honest. People don't even use Google to shop. They try to find something either (1) by brand name, eg. "iphone" or (2) generically by category, eg. "best cold weather tent". In t…

> Show of hands for anyone using ChatGPT to shop. Be honest.

I recently used ChatGPT to compare headphones before buying them, although the workflow there was a bit manual; I took some headphones that I had in mind off a cursory search off Amazon, had ChatGPT produce a summary of the differences and then picked the "best" one.

I'd assume this happens a lot more, I can easily someone doing, produce a list of [product category X] under > As a new sales channel, young people are buying content off of TikTok and Instagram directly now.

I assume this would only work for the things that influencers can directly sell, e.g. selling makeup to women that way is apparently a thing; for other products that are not impulse-buys, ChatGPT is a perfectly reasonable way to shop.

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Post by bsder »

btbuildem wrote: post #124
observationist wrote: post #72

Oh no, adtech is dying. I guess we'll all have to compete through quality of products and services and not gaming a rigged system designed to reward anything that maximizes the profit of the global surveillance adtech machine. This gives me warm fuzzy feelings. It's nowhere near good, but this is better than it was.

I wish that were true, but I don't think it's dying, I think it's metastasizing. Ads will ingress deeper into what were trusted layers -- embedded in text and video in a seemingly organic way. GenAI tools make this possible -- to splice a 20 second mention of something into a stream, or rewrite a paragraph injecting a subtle product placement. We will develop new mental antibodies for this, we always do. Silver linin…

> to splice a 20 second mention of something into a stream

I'm seeing the start of this already, AFAICT. There have been a couple of YouTube videos with embedded ads that YouTube flipped over to a YouTube ad at exactly the point the sponsor part started.

Google is almost certainly getting ready to use AI to splice out in stream ads and replace them with Google ads.

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Post by lovich »

grugagag wrote: post #509
lovich wrote: post #217

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Reddits been building up its user base in India the past few years.[1] I’m permabanned on Reddit so I only consume via the default not logged in feed and I run into some comments in what I assume is Hindi(might be marathi or one of the multiple other languages on the continent) or posts from subreddits explicitly about some aspect of india [1] https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/catalyst/inside-reddits...

How are permabanned? Can you just change the handle or create a new account?

I had a few alt accounts, they were all banned and I wasn’t able to make a new account with existing emails.

I assume, with no evidence, that they just used the same data tracking for ads, to enforce the ban. I think Meta turned on the real banning tech during a panic in Covid iirc

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Post by hadlock »

layer8 wrote: post #173
rickcarlino wrote: post #123

The way people get information online is changing rapidly. I run a local makerspace. It is not quite the same thing as a local entertainment business, but there are certainly some similarities. We are local, and we are very event-based. For the last 10 years, the way we would get new members was to host Meetups. Meetups are slowly bringing in fewer members. When I ask tour guests how they found out about us, they rec…

The question is how LLMs will get that kind of information in the future, if not from the web. By scraping TikTok and Discords?

Business directory for most of the telephone era was simply known as "the yellow pages". About once a quarter we get a color mailer with all the local plumbers, fencing companies, electricians etc. for homeowners who want a company that is actually licensed and insured.

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Post by lolive »

fragmede wrote: post #483
cookiengineer wrote: post #278

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I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

All my real HN friends are on https://news.ysimulator.run/news

The forum where Skynet becomes self-conscious :)

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Post by xbmcuser »

cookiengineer wrote: post #278
nostrademons wrote: post #160

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In my anecdotal experience, it's moved to private, trust-based channels: iMessage, WhatsApp, email, face-to-face interactions. Our 30-year bender of putting our lives online and blurring the public and the private has finally ended: people don't want to be online, don't trust social media, don't really trust any media, and are living simple local lives with a small circle of friends that they get together with regula…

I had a very interesting discussion with a friend today, where I was talking to her about the /r/golang thread about Rob Pike's comments to OpenAI and how the thread was full of bots talking with other bots. No idea why the density of bots was so high in that thread, it was kind of absurd to see. Then she said: "I know nobody that comments on online forums. Nobody would ever comment to strangers on the internet. It's…

Most of her friends are probably women. Try making an account with an obvious female name and you will see a marked difference on most social platforms I am saying this as a guy we really don't understand the world women live in online or offline.
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