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Re: The future of software development is software developers

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post #411

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As someone who works on the design and construction of datacenters, I cannot stress enough how apropos this comment is. Even before the first conversation in your IDE starts, the load on national and local government resources, local utility capacity, and roadway infrastructure is enormous. We're all paying whether we're using the tools or not.

Nearly nobody cares about the load on “national and local government resources, local utility capacity, and roadway infrastructure” for any other day-to-day activity. Why should they care about the same for AI which for most people is “out there online” somewhere? Related my, crypto bros worried about electricity usage only so far as its expense went and whether they could move closer to hydro dams.

> Nearly nobody cares about ...

That's an accurate and sad truth about humanity in general, isn't it? We all feel safer and saner if we avoid thinking about how things really are. It's doubly true if our hands are dirty to some extent.

At the same time, I submit that ignoring the effectiveness of very small contingents of highly motivated people is a common failure mode of humanity in general. Recall that "nearly nobody" also describes "people who are the President of the United States." Observe how that tiny rounding error of humanity is responsible for quite a bit of the way the world goes - for good or ill. Arguably, that level of effectiveness doesn't even require much intelligence.

> Why should they care about the same for AI which for most people is “out there online” somewhere?

Well, some will be smart enough to see the problem. Some portion thereof will be wise enough to see a solution. And a portion of those folks will be motivated enough to implement it. That's all that's required. Very simple even if it's not very easy or likely.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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More than any other effect they have LLMs breed something called "learned helplessness". You just listed a few things it may stay better than you at, and a few things that it is not better than you at and never will be . Planning long running projects and deciding are things only you can do well!! Humans manage costs. We look out for our future. We worry. We have excitement, and pride. It wants you to think none of t…

You are still in denial of what an LLM actually is capable of in the near-mid term. In the current architecture there are mathmatical limitations on what it can do with information. However, tool use and external orchestration allow it to work around many (maybe all) those limitations. The current models have brittle parts and some bad tendencies.. but they will continue to eat up the executive thought ladder. I thin…

I'm as high on the chain as it is possible to get! I don't use AI at all. Models help people follow, but I'm leading. Bite me.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who works on the design and construction of datacenters, I cannot stress enough how apropos this comment is. Even before the first conversation in your IDE starts, the load on national and local government resources, local utility capacity, and roadway infrastructure is enormous. We're all paying whether we're using the tools or not.

Nearly nobody cares about the load on “national and local government resources, local utility capacity, and roadway infrastructure” for any other day-to-day activity. Why should they care about the same for AI which for most people is “out there online” somewhere? Related my, crypto bros worried about electricity usage only so far as its expense went and whether they could move closer to hydro dams.

They should care because they are expensive. If we become dependent on something that is expensive, we have to maintain a certain level of economic productivity to sustain our dependence.

For AI, once these companies or shareholders start demanding profit, then users will be footing the bill. At this rate, it seems like it'll be expensive without some technological breakthrough as another user mentioned.

For other things, like roads and public utilities, we have to maintain a certain level of economic productivity to sustain those as well. Roads for example are expensive to maintain. Municipalities, states, and the federal government within the US are in lots of debt associated with roads specifically. This debt may not be a problem now, but it leaves us vulnerable to problems in the future.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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This is the usual „but they can’t do the hard stuff“ argument. It’s not the right lens - at least not for employment. If you need three programmers to deliver a project, one doing boilerplate, one intermediate and one doing hard task. And the AI can’t do the hard task then you’ve still got two unemployed dudes. So yeah you can make the technically correct argument that it still needs a programmer but it glosses over…

i hope the collective realization that "hard task" guys were once intermediate or boilerplate guys comes sooner than later :(

I think the realisation is already there but nobody knows what to do about it.

Companies won’t hire people just to train.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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The future of IT is going back to basics. People who know their karnough diagrams, their algorithm flow charts, memory models, state machines, algorithms, their sql CTEs, window functions, their obscure cpu/gpu instructions, people who can build a VM and a language on top from ground up will become even more valuable, because they can drive LLMs more effectively.

Your run of the mill bootcamp webdev/data scientists will have to educate themselves or find manual jobs.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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Sure thing. I work on a few projects for my company. The main one is an Android and iOS audiobook-media-player app. I had to update the Android side to use the Google Media3 library instead of the legacy ExoPlayer library. In a typical app this would be pretty straightforward, but we’ve mixed in a lot of custom elements that made the transition quite challenging. I actually attempted it manually back in the day and p…

> strip out any functions that weren’t being used anymore—something like 300-plus functions. Doing that by hand would easily have taken a day or more Any decent IDE can do that refactoring instantly. > I could go on Clearly.

> Any decent IDE can do that refactoring instantly.

The refactoring? Sure. But IDEs don't read your code and logically categorize it into folders. From what I understand, they are saying that they outsourced the thinking part as well.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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post #46

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I think I've been using AI wrong. I can't understand testimonies like this. Most times I try to use AI for a task, it is a shitshow, and I have to rewrite everything anyway.

I don’t know about right/wrong. You need to use the tools that make you productive. I personally find that in my work there are dozens of little scripts or helper functions that accelerate my work. However I usually don’t write them because I don’t have the time. AI can generate these little scripts very consistently. That accelerates my work. Perhaps just start simple.

> there are dozens of little scripts or helper functions that accelerate my work. However I usually don’t write them because I don’t have the time

People who write things like this can't expect to be taken seriously.

Before AI you didn't have time to write things that saved you time? So you just ended up spending (wasting) more time by going the long way? That was a better choice than just doing the thing that would have saved you time?

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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You are still in denial of what an LLM actually is capable of in the near-mid term. In the current architecture there are mathmatical limitations on what it can do with information. However, tool use and external orchestration allow it to work around many (maybe all) those limitations. The current models have brittle parts and some bad tendencies.. but they will continue to eat up the executive thought ladder. I thin…

I'm as high on the chain as it is possible to get! I don't use AI at all. Models help people follow, but I'm leading. Bite me.

No reason to be uncivil.

Just so we are clear, you are saying you don't use it at all, but you are providing advice about it? Specifically detailing with certainty that the current state of the art has or doesn't have certain traits or abilities.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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post #316

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I never said "planted", that is your own assumption, albeit a wrong one. I do respect it though, as it is at least a product of a human mind. But you don't have to be "planted" to champion an idea, you are clearly championing it out of some kind of conviction, many seem to do. I was just giving you a bit of reality check. If you want to show me how to "guess where things are heading" / I am actually one of the early…

Bro idk why you waste your time writing all this. No one cares that you were an early adopter, all that means is that you used the rudimentary LLM implementations that were available from 2022-2024 which are now completely obselete. Whatever experience you think you have with AI tools is useless because you clearly haven't kept up with the times. AI platforms and tools have been changing quickly. Every six months the…

Maybe he's already ahead of you by not using current models, 2026 models are going to make 2025 models completely obsolete, wasting time on them is dumb.

Re: The future of software development is software developers

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post #314

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+1 - I wish at least one of these AI boosters had shown us a real commercialised product they've built.

Have you had your head in the sand for the past two years? At the recent AWS conference, they were showcasing Kiro extensively with real life products that have been built with it. And the Amazon developers all allege that they've all been using Kiro and other AI tools and agents heavily for the past year+ now to build AWS's own services. Google and Microsoft have also reported similar internal efforts. The platforms…

Amazon, Google and Microsoft are balls deep invested in AI, a rational person should draw 0 conclusions in them showcasing how productive they are with it.

I'd say it's more about the fear of their $50billion+ investments not paying off is creeping up on them.

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