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As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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bloppe wrote: post #442
torginus wrote: post #133

It's somewhat alarming to see that companies (owned by a very small slice of society) producing these AI thingies (whose current economic is questionable value and actual future potential is up to hot debate), can easily price the rest of humanity out of computing goods.

It's called a shortage. Chips are highly cyclical. Right now demand is surging and prices and investment are booming. Give it 5 years and I'd bet many in the chips industry will be bemoaning a massive glut and oversupply that sends prices plummeting.

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Re: As AI gobbles up chips, prices for devices may rise

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Post by netbioserror »

ip26 wrote: post #55
netbioserror wrote: post #4

Positive downstream effect: The way software is built will need to be rethought and improved to utilize efficiencies for stagnating hardware compute. Think of how staggering the step from the start of a console generation to the end used to be. Native-compiled languages have made bounding leaps that might be worth pursuing again.

I have some hope for transpiling to become more commonplace. What would happen if you could write in Python, but trivially transpile to C++ and back?

You've described Nim, Chicken, and Jank. Partially what I meant by "leaps made by native-compiled languages".

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Post by wickedsight »

ptero wrote: post #285
wickedsight wrote: post #255

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> a very optimistic scenario for AI companies - that AI capable of replacing knowledge workers can be developed using the current batch of hardware, in the span of a year or two. I'm really interested in what will happen to the economy/society in this case. Knowledge workers are the market for much that money is being made on. Facebook and Google make most of their money from ads. Those ads are shown to billions of p…

I don't know why you are getting downvoted. While I might agree or disagree with the argument, it is a clear, politely expressed view. It is sad HN is sliding in the direction of folks being downvoted for opinions instead of the tone they use to express them :(

I don't know either, but it appears it was only temporary. Always interesting how things go on the internet.

I also would've loved for the people who downvoted to have commented, because I would really like to see another point of view.

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

bluSCALE4 wrote: post #448
b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #445

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THING IN PAST SIMILAR MUST BE SAME THING you enjoy your industrial effluent, I'm gonna stick to human artists making art

Whatever, man, this guy isn't wrong. Look at the example he gave how a camera made it so that anyone could do what only a few could. Novel art is just a candid shot now. It forced art to completely change its values. Much of the same will happen now. The difference is that with the past, we still needed artists to take advantage of them while now, it all can be completely automated. It's disgusting but I'm sure pures…

that's not art, that's product. Enjoy it, you deserve every ounce of it.

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Post by kylehotchkiss »

compounding_it wrote: post #85

Software has gotten bad over the last decade. Electron apps were the start but these days everything seems to be so bloated, right from the operating systems to browsers. There was a time when apple was hesitant to add more ram to its iPhones and app developers would have to work hard to make apps efficient. Last few years have shown Apple going from 6gb to 12gb so easily for their 'AI' while I consistently see the q…

I was so optimistic that AI would make a dent in reducing electrons market share. If anything it’s amplifying it :/

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Post by arisAlexis »

latexr wrote: post #303
arisAlexis wrote: post #281

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Calling the greatest and last invention of man "AI thingies" is telling of why our society will split into tech and non tech communities in the future like all the science fiction authors have predicted.

> Calling the greatest and last invention of man There are several inventions which are far greater than LLMs. To name two: computers and methods to generate electricity, things without which LLMs wouldn’t have been possible. But also harnessing fire, the wheel, agriculture, vaccines… The list goes on and on. Calling LLMs “AI thingies” seems much more in tune with reality than calling them “the greatest invention of…

I meant last. The concept of calling it that way is historical and it shows you have never really deep dived into the concept of AI at all if you don't know who used it and why.

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arisAlexis wrote: post #516
latexr wrote: post #303

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> Calling the greatest and last invention of man There are several inventions which are far greater than LLMs. To name two: computers and methods to generate electricity, things without which LLMs wouldn’t have been possible. But also harnessing fire, the wheel, agriculture, vaccines… The list goes on and on. Calling LLMs “AI thingies” seems much more in tune with reality than calling them “the greatest invention of…

I meant last. The concept of calling it that way is historical and it shows you have never really deep dived into the concept of AI at all if you don't know who used it and why.

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Post by api »

lawlessone wrote: post #454
api wrote: post #376

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In previous eras there were many purists who considered photography not-art, sequencer and synthesizer made music not-music, other forms of (non-AI) digital art less legitimate than their more manual classical counterparts, etc. This is the same discourse all over again. Is electronic music where the artist composes it on a screen and then hits 'play' music? I think it is, of course, but I have had experiences where…

Keyboards have had functions that let them play music at the touch of button for decades. Decades later we still don't consider anyone using that function a musician. >actual artists who use AI as a tool to make novel forms and styles of art. writing a prompt lol We don't compare Usain Bolt to Lewis Hamilton when talking about fastest runners in the world. But hey think about how much money you could save on a weddin…

Your reasoning process here is:

There is a "demo" button on synthesizers that plays a canned melody, therefore playing canned melodies is all synthesizers can do, therefore nobody that uses a synthesizer is a real musician.

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Post by latexr »

arisAlexis wrote: post #516
latexr wrote: post #303

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> Calling the greatest and last invention of man There are several inventions which are far greater than LLMs. To name two: computers and methods to generate electricity, things without which LLMs wouldn’t have been possible. But also harnessing fire, the wheel, agriculture, vaccines… The list goes on and on. Calling LLMs “AI thingies” seems much more in tune with reality than calling them “the greatest invention of…

I meant last. The concept of calling it that way is historical and it shows you have never really deep dived into the concept of AI at all if you don't know who used it and why.

Ah, yes, the ad hominem attack with a dash of appeal to authority and just enough vagueness to attempt to skirt any criticism. Classic. Well, I for one am thoroughly convinced by that argumentative prowess, you sure showed me.

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Post by throw4r3ttyu »

dgroshev wrote: post #498
IlliOnato wrote: post #388

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You may check these videos by Oleg Kuvaev. 100% generated using AI. Everything: text, music, characters, voices, editing -- all done via prompts, using multiple engines (I think he mentioned about a dozen services involved). I would not call it "high art", but it's definitely not a slop, it's an artist skillfully using AI as a tool. https://youtu.be/A2H62x_-k5Q?si=EHq5Y4KCzBfo0tfm https://youtu.be/rzCpT_S536c?si=pxiD…

This is absolutely slop. Higher quality slop, but slop nonetheless. Ask yourself: what does it say? What does it change in you? How this makes you feel? Artists use their medium to communicate. More often than not, everything in a piece is deliberate. What is being communicated here? Who deliberated on the details? Those videos are as much "art" as Marvel's endless slop is "art".

Does it not describe what the prompter wants it to describe?

This is like saying a director isn’t really an artist simply because all they do is direct things.

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