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Post by carlosjobim »

pezezin wrote: post #508
carlosjobim wrote: post #499

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Accusing anybody who doesn't love the government of "spreading propaganda" is not a sign of knowledge. It's a sign of an obsolete 20th century mindset and perspective on life. Next perhaps you're going to accuse me of "Staatsfeindlichkeit", which the German leadership was screaming in their denouncements, before the people tore down their walls. "Verunglimpfung des Staates" - "Insulting the State", this awful, awful…

Not loving the government is OK. Heck, hating the government might also be OK. Insisting that we European citizens hate the EU when it is not true, and then doubling down with accusations of censorship when the whole thread points out your mistake, is downright stupid. But hey, if that makes you happy as some kind of freedom fighter, go for it.

When you start talking about "right wing propaganda that will destroy us", then I only hear echoes of the government worship of the 20th century. As I said, the EU is not Europe, nor the other way around. And that's mainly what's upsetting hackers. They live in a fantasy that the EU is in some way like the USA. I know that quite a lot of Germans, Dutch and Belgians consider themselves "EU citizens". And maybe Spaniards as well. Nobody in Northern Europe considers themself an "EU citizen" or gives any value to the EU. They consider themselves people of their own nations only, and the EU as a foreign influence.

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Post by carlosjobim »

saubeidl wrote: post #492
carlosjobim wrote: post #486

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Likewise, I've never met a person who has said they are for the EU or even strongly pro-EU. So it must be a question of which of the EU member countries you are in or other kind of bubbles. > Get out of yours. I suggested in my original post that Germans seem to be pro-EU. And probably neighbouring countries too. Here in this thread also appeared a fanatically pro-EU Spaniard. In Nordic countries, I've never met a pe…

Every single EU countries population prefers EU leadership over their own national leadership. https://news.gallup.com/poll/657860/member-states-show-stron... fwiw: I definitely am paying the bill. But I'm also strongly pro-EU. Taxes are a membership fee for a functioning society.

As I said, I don't give much for opinion polls. And comparing two sides as you do now, doesn't mean that people are fond of either side.

You can prove anything with statistics. The last opinion poll I saw for my country of birth was both the EU and the national government at a less than 50% approval rate.

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Post by seec »

panick21_ wrote: post #502
yurishimo wrote: post #431

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But look at solar adoption across Europe since 2022. It’s going gang busters and now with sodium batteries coming online next year, cheap home energy storage is about to boom as well. Europe doesn’t want to buy Russian gas, but there is also the very real political reality of what happens if your citizens freeze to death. I will be very surprised if any EU state is reliant on Russian gas by 2035.

When people start talking about battery technology that has not even reached scale as any kind of political solution, you know people have lost the plot. Taking one look at just the cost required for the network, even outside of the cost of any generation at all, you realize this is an insane and slapping a few solar panels down is far from a solution. And also lets not ignore that places that have done a lot of the…

Yeah they are just insane whishfull thinkers.

I calculated the costs of covering the needs of Germany for a 2 days low production event (as it happened between 6-9 december) and you would need about a trillion dollar. That's for something that cannot even garantee you more than 48h of runtime for half the country's needs.

You would need at least 4 times that to be safe. Even if batteries price are divided by 2 (very unlikely, there are large fixed costs) you would need trillions of dollar for a single country. That's just not happening any time soon and even in 30 years time, I doubt it will be that prevalent of a solution.

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Post by rswail »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #151
jimnotgym wrote: post #7

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I agree, this is a good thing. Long term stable large contracts are great simulation for a market. Airbus obviously has a large amount of military work, and its data needs to stay in Europe. What we also need is a faster acceleration of military spending so this can happen with more companies.

> thing. Long term stable large contracts are great simulation for a market. They are not. It can hurt Airbus very much if a provider says they can provide a certain level of hardware/software for 10 years and in three years the RAM or storage goes through the roof and the provider is not big enough to absorb all the losses. People don’t choose the hyperscalers because they are based in the US, they choose them becau…

Airbus is ~30% government owned by France/Germany/Spain and others. It is funded both as a private business and as a European "champion" to compete with Boeing.

It is also likely to get the majority of the European civil, commercial, and military orders now.

There is no reason why Europe can't build a hyperscalar cloud service. The skills and the software and hardware are all transferrable technology.

European defence budgets are being ramped up, spending some billions on data centres and comms is a no-brainer as part of that.

European governments contracting to a European cloud provider would be more than enough to fund the provisioning.

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Post by xorcist »

Amezarak wrote: post #146
xorcist wrote: post #67

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Pray tell, how much of, say, the latest Afghanistan war did the US pay and how much do their allies need to bear? The rebuilding of a whole country, the reinstatement of the Taliban regime, the destabilization of the region, and the still ongoing stream of refugees? The political aftermath of which is still felt in Europe.

Europe could have simply denied entry to the refugees and avoided their entire refugee problem. It's especially silly to blame the US when most EU states strongly supported the downfall of Qaddafi and Assad.

That's the thing though. Most European states (inside and outside the EU) consider the US their strategic ally, and they will support whatever it takes to make that strategy work. Policy at international level is made for strategic reasons, and you have to look at what countries do, not at what they say.

The strongest state, economically and military, can get away with a lot others wouldn't, since everyone else will want to be on their good side. The new US administration has clearly shifted in terms of what they say, but not yet much in terms of what they do. Maybe Ukraine will be the exception here.

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

tomhow wrote: post #503
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #435

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You can't comment like this on Hacker News, no matter who or what you're replying to. You've taken a flamewar 15 comments deep. That's exactly what we're trying to avoid here. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

My apologies, tomhow. I got a little bit carried away.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

carlosjobim wrote: post #488
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #447

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All of those bar the UK are in the EEA though.

Yes, but those are only trade and border agreements, and don't give the EU influence on internal political matters. Compare similar trade agreements between other nations, such as between the United States and their neighbours.

> Yes, but those are only trade and border agreements

Honestly goods and service regulations are probably the biggest infringement of sovereignty as it signs all of your companies up to arbitrary standards. That may be a good idea, but to pretend that it's somehow less important than other pooling of sovereignty seems strange to me.

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

pembrook wrote: post #510
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #443

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I have read the document, it certainly implies that the EU is a problem and that the US should support 'patriotic' parties in pulling away from it. It's a short read (30 pages, large font) so it's well worth looking at.

A majority of Europeans also think the EU has major issues. This does not constitute being anti-Europe.

Please read the document before making this determination.

> A majority of Europeans also think the EU has major issues

I don't disagree with you in principle here, but do you have a source for this?

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Post by pezezin »

carlosjobim wrote: post #511
pezezin wrote: post #508

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Not loving the government is OK. Heck, hating the government might also be OK. Insisting that we European citizens hate the EU when it is not true, and then doubling down with accusations of censorship when the whole thread points out your mistake, is downright stupid. But hey, if that makes you happy as some kind of freedom fighter, go for it.

When you start talking about "right wing propaganda that will destroy us", then I only hear echoes of the government worship of the 20th century. As I said, the EU is not Europe, nor the other way around. And that's mainly what's upsetting hackers. They live in a fantasy that the EU is in some way like the USA. I know that quite a lot of Germans, Dutch and Belgians consider themselves "EU citizens". And maybe Spaniar…

I have met plenty of people from Finland, Sweden and Denmark who were all pretty happy with the EU. I guess it helps that we all work in big international projects, so we get to talk to lots of different nationalities on a daily basis.

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Post by ulfw »

andsoitis wrote: post #163
ulfw wrote: post #143

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We can see the same with everything in the US. Huawei became very competitive to Apple. Outsold Apple in it's home market. Huawei got banned. DJI has a near monopoly on drones. No US company could compete and players like GoPro shut down their consumer drone projects. DJI got/is about to get banned. Tiktok was dangerous to Meta. TikTok got almost banned/forced-sold. Chinese EVs are better than almost any US offering.…

> Huawei became very competitive to Apple. Huawei got banned. How would you explain Samsung, LG, Sony, etc.? > DJI got banned. Untrue. Supply is constrained and future of new product availability is uncertain because of FY2025 National Defesnse Authorization ACt, which requires a security audit by late Dec 2025. If that doesn't happen, DJI could automatically be added to the FCC's restricted list, which could block n…

and DJI is now effectively banned. Oh sorry... only 'new models'...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3337398/us-bars-appr...

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