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Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by Menu_Overview »

YPPH wrote: post #409
wackget wrote: post #342

Incredible! In an astounding feat, it has only taken a mere two decades to enable the world's largest tech companies to provide the most basic levels of interopability. At this breakneck speed of technological development, one can only imagine what wonderful boons await consumers in the next few decades.

Apple could have implemented this a long time ago but decided not to implement Bluetooth file sharing.

AirDrop is faster and more secure and reliable than simple Bluetooth file sharing. There are a number of reasons they weren't going to do that.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by tredre3 »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #453
rahkiin wrote: post #373

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I’ve been using AirDrop to send files between different mames of iOS phone and tablet for ages.

The fact that you are impressed that different products from the same brand are interoperable between them says volumes about Apple and Apple users.

Android didn't have a way to share files between them for the longest time. Initially there was Beam but it never worked. The first semi-reliable way to exchange files between two android phones, without using a third party utility, was Nearby Share dates from 2020.

So yeah, it's a low bar, but one that only Apple bothered to clear from the get go apparently.

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Post by shadowfiend »

glonq wrote: post #502
wackget wrote: post #342

Incredible! In an astounding feat, it has only taken a mere two decades to enable the world's largest tech companies to provide the most basic levels of interopability. At this breakneck speed of technological development, one can only imagine what wonderful boons await consumers in the next few decades.

DAE remember in 2010 when Steve Jobs said that Facetime would be an open industry standard?

FaceTime got caught up in patent issues that precluded both opening it up and resulted in architecture changes: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/08/report-after-pat... .

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Post by rpdillon »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #491
rpdillon wrote: post #475

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Never owned an iPhone, but I have familiarity. Here's Apple's instructions for "exporting" your photos from iPhone. Note: it does not say plug the iphone in and drag the photos from the "Photo" folder to your external device. It says this: > Export photos and videos to an external storage device > You can export photos and videos you took on your iPhone directly to an external drive, a memory card, or other storage d…

It’s asking for permission on the device because there are real threats that you plug up your phone to an untrusted device thinking it is just a dumb charging port and it can extricate your data. As far as why you can’t export your edited photos, is that iOS doesn’t actually exit your photos. It applies the edits from what I can tell as a separate “filter” that’s stored as metadata so you can undo your edits. How do…

Yeah, I get it. I don't want any of that, I just want a filesystem.

I'll take care of cloud storage with SyncThing (or whatever) -- I'm the kind of guy that values being able to choose the parts. I don't buy "cold medicine", I buy ibuprofen, diphenhydramine, pseudoephedrine or whatever else I decide, and I'll dose each based on my symptoms. Because that's just better than some prepackaged thing. And I do the exact same thing with computing. Works great. But Apple fights.

The whole world of mobile computing is actively fighting giving the customers the ability to compose their tools, which strips away user agency, and creates all these issues with "big tech" being monopolies and locking users in. This is at the root of what the DMA is about, I think.

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Post by Orphis »

josephg wrote: post #183
layer8 wrote: post #146

This is based on Wi-Fi Aware: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi_Alliance#Wi-Fi_Aware Some background: https://www.ditto.com/blog/cross-platform-p2p-wi-fi-how-the-... On the Apple side, this was prompted by the EU Digital Markets Act: https://digital-markets-act.ec.europa.eu/questions-and-answe...

This is great! I notice that’s on the ditto blog. I can see why the ditto developers are watching with keen eyes! I have a modern digital camera complete with wifi and bluetooth. There’s an app that lets me connect the camera to my iPhone for monitoring, remote shooting and copying photos. Very useful! But right now the only way for the camera to connect to my phone is through some super complicated song and dance, i…

Which app are you using?

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Post by prettymuchnoone »

shaky-carrousel wrote: post #452
rafaelcosta wrote: post #447

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AirDrop works via AWDL, I think you're just wrong...

Not anymore.

but if airdrop as of OS26 uses wifi aware, and the proprietary awdl version has been shuttered due to the eu regulation, how come devices on that software version can still airdrop to older devices?

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

rpdillon wrote: post #514
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s asking for permission on the device because there are real threats that you plug up your phone to an untrusted device thinking it is just a dumb charging port and it can extricate your data. As far as why you can’t export your edited photos, is that iOS doesn’t actually exit your photos. It applies the edits from what I can tell as a separate “filter” that’s stored as metadata so you can undo your edits. How do…

Yeah, I get it. I don't want any of that, I just want a filesystem. I'll take care of cloud storage with SyncThing (or whatever) -- I'm the kind of guy that values being able to choose the parts. I don't buy "cold medicine", I buy ibuprofen, diphenhydramine, pseudoephedrine or whatever else I decide, and I'll dose each based on my symptoms. Because that's just better than some prepackaged thing. And I do the exact sa…

Yes I’m sure “you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem. From Windows or Mac, this FTP account could be accessed through built-in software.”

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

With iCloud, if I drop my phone in the ocean by mistake, I can walk into the Apple Store, buy another phone, log in and my new phone looks and acts like my old phone with all of the bookmarks, icons, app data, settings etc being restored.

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Post by e44858 »

wtallis wrote: post #435
walletdrainer wrote: post #412

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Relies on OWL which does have specific hardware requirements

No, OWL only appears to have specific driver requirements, namely that they expose to userspace functionality that any remotely modern WiFi chip should already have.

"you will need a Wi-Fi card supporting active monitor mode with frame injection" https://github.com/seemoo-lab/owl

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Post by thewebguyd »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #402
thewebguyd wrote: post #190

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> but never have I heard about them implementing insecure protocols. That's because they don't. Google takes security seriously. There's a reason GrapheneOS is only supported on Pixel devices currently as well, because of certain hardware security features. Nothing you do with Google is private from Google but it's certainly designed to belong only to Google, your data is one of their most important assets. Of course…

It is more precise to say, that they sell the idea, that they know better due to the fact that they have the data about you.

Yeah. They sell access to you, so an advertiser can tell Google "I want this shown to a mid-thirties tech worker living in SF who likes x,y,z and frequents traveling to q" and Google will show you their ad.

Re: Android and iPhone users can now share files, starting with the Pixel 10

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Post by thewebguyd »

jeroenhd wrote: post #481
thewebguyd wrote: post #190

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> but never have I heard about them implementing insecure protocols. That's because they don't. Google takes security seriously. There's a reason GrapheneOS is only supported on Pixel devices currently as well, because of certain hardware security features. Nothing you do with Google is private from Google but it's certainly designed to belong only to Google, your data is one of their most important assets. Of course…

> Nothing you do with Google is private from Google but it's certainly designed to belong only to Google The same also goes for Apple, although Apple doesn't monetize your data as much so they collect less. They'll suck up all kinds of data out of your devices but will strictly protect that data from third party applications any way they can. They're also willing to use that protection to prevent interoperability or…

Yeah, Apple collects a lot of the same stuff.

The difference for me is in the business model, and the fact that Apple offers true E2E encryption for photos while Google doesn't. If Google ever made their own version of Advanced Data Protection for Pixel phones, it'd be a wash.

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