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Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by soraminazuki »

jelder wrote: post #207
PyWoody wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: Why doesn't Google de-rank content that requires a login? I remember they used to claim they did but they clearly do not anymore.

That would be equivalent to demonetizing the entire web. Free content would win out over paid content regardless of quality. As the old adage goes, "when you're getting something for free, you're the product being sold." Only sites making money by, shall we say, "indirect" means would be able to survive. A search engine which prioritizes free content over paid would become nothing but a propaganda engine.

> Free content would win out over paid content regardless of quality.

Quality has never been synonymous with monetization for as long as I can remember. The primary driver of low quality or harmful content is greed. Guess what fuels the most greed in modern society?

> A search engine which prioritizes free content over paid would become nothing but a propaganda engine.

Are you suggesting that including Twitter in search results would mitigate propaganda?

Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by hombre_fatal »

mrbombastic wrote: post #251
carlosjobim wrote: post #181

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Because people can get a login. If the best quality result is behind a login and a paywall, I still want it to be the first result. Only quality should decide ranking.

Openness and accessibility should absolutely be factors in ranking, otherwise where does it end? I dk what twitter requires these days, maybe an email, password and a couple more fields, what if a site starts doing id verification? What if accounts require a subscription? What if all the best content on the first page of your search results is behind a paywall with 3 easy payments of $299

You haven’t made a case for why free content should be more important than relevance.

If the search engine orders by relevance, than I can make the decision for myself of where to trade-off with paywalls.

I don’t want a search engine to make the decision for me because it cannot: what if the only answer to my question is behind a paywall?

Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by thayne »

stillatit wrote: post #344
aldousd666 wrote: post #161

Nobody wants a damn web view. If I'm clicking off to a link, I may want to click to another app and back in and still be where it was... If it's in a webview that's gone as soon as I click out. Yes, you can open in Chrome or whatever, open in a browser, but that's a pain in the ass to do an the time. I hate web views, in all forms.

>Nobody wants a damn web view. OP here. This might be a classic Hacker News sentiment that's not shared by normal users. Being able to instantly return to where you were without having to navigate apps is probably appreciated by a lot of people. (As would be preloading in this instance). FWIW when I first started browsing HN a common complaint was websites being mobile sized. The sentiment here was they should be ren…

> The sentiment here was they should be rendered in full desktop and require pinch-zooming and scrolling in all directions.

I think you misunderstood. The problem wasn't/isn't that sites were mobile sized on mobile devices. The problem was/is sites that optimize for mobile, and look terrible or are hard to use on a desktop or laptop screen.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

ElectronCharge wrote: post #484
amanaplanacanal wrote: post #465

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This administration has added more debt than any previous. So this talk about lowering debt is pure bullshit.

An "administration" doesn't add debt - Congress does. Power of the purse strings, no? I'm not sure what you mean by "this administration". Are you including DJT's first term? Regardless, here are the numbers per Investopedia: "Based on total dollar amounts, Joe Biden contributed the most to the national debt, adding $8.5 trillion during his presidency, followed by Donald Trump ($7.8 trillion in his first term) and Ba…

This Congress does whatever the president wants, because they are scared of what he will do to them if they don't.

Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by bird0861 »

nottorp wrote: post #111
robot-wrangler wrote: post #17

Since we're doing PSAs, isn't it also now just a completely broken platform on mobile for everyone who isn't logged in? > Something went wrong, but don't fret - let's give it another shot. This is all I've seen for literally years now. No real error, does not even say to login or install an app, just blames it on my privacy extensions (I don't actually have any) and offers a button to pointlessly try again. No big lo…

No, it's also completely broken on desktop. Still have one or two friends who insist on sending twitter links. I don't click.

I have no idea why people still think it's a viable platform.

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Post by OptionOfT »

Thoreandan wrote: post #413
nitwit005 wrote: post #378

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It's not just HackerNews. I can remember when Facebook rolled out their "in-app browser", and a huge amount of content appeared on how to disable it. That was partly due to websites being broken. You can still find some old discussions on Stack Overflow about features of their websites not working correctly in it: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27000708/file-upload-con...

Checking in - it's not possible to disable from the app anymore, is it? The preference setting is still there, but ignored, afaict.

I'm not sure the setting is even there in the FB app anymore.

Re: Tell HN: X is opening any tweet link in a webview whether you press it or not

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Post by mrbombastic »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #513
mrbombastic wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Openness and accessibility should absolutely be factors in ranking, otherwise where does it end? I dk what twitter requires these days, maybe an email, password and a couple more fields, what if a site starts doing id verification? What if accounts require a subscription? What if all the best content on the first page of your search results is behind a paywall with 3 easy payments of $299

You haven’t made a case for why free content should be more important than relevance. If the search engine orders by relevance, than I can make the decision for myself of where to trade-off with paywalls. I don’t want a search engine to make the decision for me because it cannot: what if the only answer to my question is behind a paywall?

“ You haven’t made a case for why free content should be more important than relevance.”

I didn’t make that claim, i am contesting the claim “Only relevance should decide ranking”. I am arguing ease of accessibility should be a factor.

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Post by int_19h »

degamad wrote: post #444
edent wrote: post #107

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That isn't true. I signed up for a fresh account for a project I was working on. Despite following no-one and not having interacted with anything, all I was pushed were racists, bigots, and extremist political content. Oh, and the owner's account.

While this is an interesting data point, the main thing it tells us is that when the algorithm has no information about your preferences, that it skews racist. This might be because, absent other information, the algorithm defaults to the "average" user's preferences. Or it might be evidence of intentional bias in the algorithm. The next piece of data we need is, if we take a new account, and only interact with non-N…

> This might be because, absent other information, the algorithm defaults to the "average" user's preferences.

... of people actively using Twitter, yes. Which is precisely the point.

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