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Re: What we talk about when we talk about sideloading

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And Steam implements its own DRM and takes 30% from game publishers. Also, they don't stop game developers from providing their own DRM which require root-of-trust, like CoD or BF6 which require Secure Boot.

Those are mostly to prevent cheating (which is pretty bad for an online game) rather than piracy.

What about Ubisoft with ubisoft connect

Re: What we talk about when we talk about sideloading

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Steam is a bit different, since that originated as a PC digital marketplace before complete root-of-trust DRM from HW->bootloader->OS->SW. If anything, I would bet on a shift where Steam on Linux requires a signed OS like Windows Secure Boot. Call of Duty and Battlefield 6 already require Windows Secure Boot. Wait, a signed Linux OS with Secure Boot already exists. It's Android Play Protect. Also on Linux, you only g…

Pirating is more of a problem of mismanaged price versus revenues. In the '90 in East Europe everybody was pirating because we couldn't afford any software not because "we wanted to steal". As soon as I got a decent salary I just bought the damn stuff and spared me of the headache of dealing with pirated things. The people pushing for drastic technical measures to "prevent pirating" are probably accountants, that hav…

I live in Nigeria and I hate piracy, yet books her are so darn expensive that the average middle class citizen resorts to piracy. I think regional pricing will really help out with this.

Re: What we talk about when we talk about sideloading

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> Any device that doesn't have DRM will never support a paid digital marketplace Yet here am on linux buying games on steam

Steam is a bit different, since that originated as a PC digital marketplace before complete root-of-trust DRM from HW->bootloader->OS->SW. If anything, I would bet on a shift where Steam on Linux requires a signed OS like Windows Secure Boot. Call of Duty and Battlefield 6 already require Windows Secure Boot. Wait, a signed Linux OS with Secure Boot already exists. It's Android Play Protect. Also on Linux, you only g…

Ironically the drm measures are a huge part in why I tend to go for pirated content, as its more convenient to me AND of higher quality.

Re: What we talk about when we talk about sideloading

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Author here. I admit I am rather startled by the tone of many comments here and the accusations of disingenuity. Splitting hairs about the origin of the term "sideload" does not change the fact that those who promote the term tend to do so in order to make it feel deviant and hacker-ish. You don't "sideload" software on your Linux, Windows, or macOS computer: you install it. You have the right to install whatever you…

You're spot on. Do keep in mind that a lot of people on HN make their money from the empires that the likes of you (and me) despise.

Re: What we talk about when we talk about sideloading

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"You mean, GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone?" not yet to diminish them who is build these Amazing tools/devices but I need to see it yet in real life hell even if you want to buy them, they literally often stock out in certain areas and we not counting technical expertise to operate the devices

Librem 5 is in stock, and it's my daily driver. These phones are niche, because in discussion like this one, everyone is constantly saying that it's impossible to escape the duopoly and we're doomed.

these phone is not niche because they are niche, but because they are sucks

if there are alternative that magically better than Google/Apple ecosystem. people would instantly switch

You don't need told people to switch, just need to prove it

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> If someone has a solution to prevent piracy without a root of trust that would be ideal and that someone is named Gaben, and the solution is called Steam. He has done more to solve piracy than any media empire who proportedly spent billions in law suits, lobbying and anti-circumvention ever did.

And Steam implements its own DRM and takes 30% from game publishers. Also, they don't stop game developers from providing their own DRM which require root-of-trust, like CoD or BF6 which require Secure Boot.

> And Steam implements its own DRM

Which is entirely optional. In fact there are plenty of games on there without DRM at all.

> and takes 30% from game publishers.

They could always use other stores. And they do, however their customers use Steam because it is so much easier than other stores, and big picture mode is so much easier than piracy.

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I see googles actions as lashing out at everyone because theyre being attacked for their monopoly activities. They want to punish customers for electing regulators who care about consumer protections. This is large scale abusive boyfriend behavior, doubling down. Anyone who defends google/Android has been heeled in fear.

There's no spite or emotion, it's a company. They want to kill NewPipe etc. to force everything through apps they control and can monetize. It's just about money.

A company is a group of individuals acting together for a goal that could not individually be achieved, the legal personality of the company exists to reduce (not eliminate) the liability and coherently steer the members of it. Those shareholders/business partners individually wouldn't be able to earn this much money nor have this much work done by employees of each.

Re: What we talk about when we talk about sideloading

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I'm struck with how long the history of Apple's earliest iPhone has shaped and produced long-term damage to the concept of digital ownership. Apple originally didn't allow anybody but Apple to create software for the 1st gen iPhone, and only later was forced "opening" it my market forces. People who realized they actually owned the thing they bought wanted to do what they wanted, which required circumventing Apple's…

> I'm sometimes surprised at the plethora of cheap handheld gaming systems coming out of China that support either Linux[...]

Do you have examples?

All the ones I see that "support Linux" are locked to a single kernel build, and so aren't much better than a hacked Android ROM, which is because the SoC manufacturer makes a "sort of working" version and dumps it over the wall, and this is exactly the same thing they do with the crappy Android phones which are never mainlined.

There are massive projects to bring all of these in mainline such as SunXi, which makes AllWinner look supported even though they actively work against it.

Re: What we talk about when we talk about sideloading

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I think this misses the forest for the trees here. The platforms behavior here is a symptom and not the core problem. I think the following are pretty clearly correct: 1. It's your damn phone and you should be able to install whatever the hell you want on it 2. Having an approved channel for verified app loading is a valuable security tool and greatly reduces the number of malicious apps installed on users devices Gi…

Exactly what they do on Macs

Re: What we talk about when we talk about sideloading

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I'm struck with how long the history of Apple's earliest iPhone has shaped and produced long-term damage to the concept of digital ownership. Apple originally didn't allow anybody but Apple to create software for the 1st gen iPhone, and only later was forced "opening" it my market forces. People who realized they actually owned the thing they bought wanted to do what they wanted, which required circumventing Apple's…

> I can't help but think there might be some effect here that's locking us all in similar to how the U.S. healthcare system can't seem to shake for profit insurance. Yup. The Amish have had no trouble implementing a single payer healthcare system in the USA. It can be done, where the people want it. But, by and large, the people really don't care. In the back of their minds they might think it would be nice to have i…

This is unreal, do you think people who face the choice between lifelong debt and the loss of a loved one really are comparable to people wanting a six pack? Do you think people really don't care about literal life and death situations?

I'd argue the fact a significant minority of US citizens are cheering on the assassination of healthcare executives (something that does not happen in countries with socialized healthcare systems) mean they are quite motivated for changes but can't find a political outlet for this motivation.

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