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On drones: there is no evidence of that. The supposed "drone ship" that was siezed by France turned out to be crewed by Chinese and had no drones or weapons on board. A Croatian citizen were arrested regarding the drone near Frankfurt airport. Three Germans were arrested regarding the drones near Oslo. Consider what Russia could possibly have to gain by randomly flying drones near civilian airports... nothing? Consid…

"The Ukraine" is offensive, please refrain from using it. Wikipedia covers some of the history behind the use of the definite article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Ukraine#English_defini...

I wasn't aware, thank you for explaining - I'll try to use the correct form from now on.

Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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solar panels actually decrease load on power lines. every house with solar panels on it reduces the amount of power the grid needs to bring to that house

this is false. Power line capacity is designed around the maximum power that must be delivered. Solar power by itself reduces the mean, and possibly the minimum as well, but never the maximum.

Are we expecting peak a/c loads on cloudy days or something?

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Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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>War with Russia is a real possibility No it is not because of 3 reasons: 1. Russia has no resources to wage war on NATO 2. Russia has no resources to wage war on NATO 3. Russia has no resources to wage war on NATO War with russia is mostly hawks' and chicken littles' of the media wet dreams.

If anything has become clear in the last couple of years is that Russia doesn't act rationally, and their government lies as soon as they open their mouths. E.g trying to explain Russia's actions with 'reason' is just a waste of time. Also: "if you want peace, prepare for war" has never been more true than now, as sad as that is.

I honestly don't think the Ukraine invasion was that irrational.

Russia had previous success (with managable pushback) annexing Crimea (and the Chechen wars before).

Things just went south really hard this time and now they're kinda stuck, just like France/Germany in WW1 or the US in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

Writing off a lost war effort is also much harder for a totalitarian regime, because you are not gambling with your re-election: It's literally your life on the line, or your whole career at the very least (kleptocrat network & favors), so doubling down is kinda the most rational approach from the decision-makers PoV.

Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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It's like the backyard furnaces during the Great Leap Forward. Production of electricity like production of steel makes most economical sense at scale. When the economic policy fails so hard it has to resort to backyard anything you know where it's going.

Yeah no. It would be if everyone had a steam turbine hooked up to their fireplace.

Co-generating boilers have been tried before. It used a Stirling engine rather than a turbine, for 1kWe output. Whisper Tech (of New Zealand) provided the Stirling engine technology, and had their own line of CHP for marine applications.

https://www.renewableenergyhub.co.uk/main/micro-combined-hea...

Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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If anything has become clear in the last couple of years is that Russia doesn't act rationally, and their government lies as soon as they open their mouths. E.g trying to explain Russia's actions with 'reason' is just a waste of time. Also: "if you want peace, prepare for war" has never been more true than now, as sad as that is.

I honestly don't think the Ukraine invasion was that irrational. Russia had previous success (with managable pushback) annexing Crimea (and the Chechen wars before). Things just went south really hard this time and now they're kinda stuck, just like France/Germany in WW1 or the US in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Writing off a lost war effort is also much harder for a totalitarian regime, because you are not gambling with…

I mean yeah... in a sense it's also not quite irrational for Russia to attack a NATO country (like one of the Baltics) if Russia is convinced that the rest of NATO (or at least the US) isn't coming to help. It would still be an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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There's a funny comment downthread that says "It's like the backyard furnaces during the Great Leap Forward." Everyone replying disagrees, but I think it's a perfect analogy: just like the backyard furnaces, these small-scale installations are inefficient, provide a negligible portion of total energy needs (<1% of total energy needs if everyone in Germany did it, from TFA), look ugly and - this is the most important…

Your total energy needs figure today is completely irrelevant. Half of the so called needs are just for entertainment. Now excuse me I have to step in my SUV and drive to lake Garda Italy for the weekend at 200 km/h.

Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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Renewables have huge hidden costs as well. Solar panels and windmills are low density sources - we need a LOT of them to get the job done, and even then you still need base load somehow. That means a huge amount of extra powerlines and future landfill of defunct panels. Not to mention the very sturdy windmill foundations scattered around the landscape. Say what you will about nuclear, but all of its negatives are con…

solar panels actually decrease load on power lines. every house with solar panels on it reduces the amount of power the grid needs to bring to that house

In that case, yes. But for solar farms, it's the opposite.

That's why I think we should end up with:

- gas plants: easy and cheap to spin up, can provide district heating

- nuclear: squeaky clean, issues are concentrated in one spot, district heating

- solar panels: super cheap, decentralized, and there are lots of opportunities like rooftops and carparks where we are wasting sunlight right now

I just re-read Critical Mass by Daniel Suarez (great book if you like hard near-future sci-fi) and that has the idea of solar stations in geostationary orbit and beaming power to where it's needed with a phased-array microwave transmitter on the station, and rectennas where you need them on the ground. We can't do this economically any time soon, but that would be clean, and require no power lines

Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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There's a funny comment downthread that says "It's like the backyard furnaces during the Great Leap Forward." Everyone replying disagrees, but I think it's a perfect analogy: just like the backyard furnaces, these small-scale installations are inefficient, provide a negligible portion of total energy needs (<1% of total energy needs if everyone in Germany did it, from TFA), look ugly and - this is the most important…

1% of Germany's power needs sound like an awful lot to me.

*energy

And yes, 1% of German energy is a ton of energy; but that is an incredibly optimistic forecast of if _every_ German did this. There are 85 million Germans; they could do a lot of things with their combined efforts. Backyard furnaces produced millions of tons of steel; seems like a very apt comparison.

I actually have solar of my own. It powered my entire life (off grid!) for years. That still doesn't mean I think individual small-scale solar is a meaningful solution to the climate crisis.

The biggest risk around climate, in my opinion, is the risk that people and governments think "we're doing something" when they are not. In this case, balcony solar has a very short payback time (a claimed 5 years for one guy's install! That is preposterously short for any investment!) because of the strange way that residential power is priced. If people really paid for the power and the grid infrastructure in relation to the real costs, balcony solar would never pay itself back, but essentially nobody understands that. Instead, they see the large amount they're saving and mentally that magnifies the impact of what they're doing. From the various posts I found, an ideal, un-shaded install produces between 200 and 500 kWh per year, depending on orientation and size. Obviously any sort of shading would drop that off a cliff. Compare that with the 38 MWh (38,000 kWh) per year of primary energy that the average German consumes...

In a way, it is a sort of modern indulgence.

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Here are some yearly numbers on the Chinese steel industry at that time as a whole: https://www.reuters.com/article/business/factbox-a-history-o...

Re: Germany outfitted half a million balconies with solar panels

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Renewables have huge hidden costs as well. Solar panels and windmills are low density sources - we need a LOT of them to get the job done, and even then you still need base load somehow. That means a huge amount of extra powerlines and future landfill of defunct panels. Not to mention the very sturdy windmill foundations scattered around the landscape. Say what you will about nuclear, but all of its negatives are con…

I find that people with strong, pro fission feelings, but no hard numbers, often preface their opinions on the matter with phrases like 'honestly' or 'objectively' or 'non idealogically'. Concentration of power production is just one of the problems that renewables / distributed power generation systems solves.

I agree with this but going on as if either fission or solar is the One True Electricity Solution is ideological. Every technology has tradeoffs.
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