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Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Why are we talking about the EU in this thread? I don't see how draconian UK laws relate to a proposed chat control law in the EU that hasn't even been drafted and would likely not survive a judicial challenge if it were to be approved.

Well, it relates in that the UK also hates encryption and is extremely likely to get their own Chat Control anytime this decade.

The UK allready has its own Chat Control-ish though in:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Safety_Act_2023

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Any stats on this? I'd be surprised if the number of Brits putting £10-100/mo into Wikipedia greatly exceeds 10.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2023-24_Report Best I can find $ 132,466.01 Africa $ 4,902,373.13 Asia $ 49,423,340.29 Europe $106,546,895.77 N.America $ 2,509,299.46 Other $ 6,082,217.76 Oceania $ 944,844.22 S.America

https://register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/en/ch...

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #496

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Any stats on this? I'd be surprised if the number of Brits putting £10-100/mo into Wikipedia greatly exceeds 10.

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising/2023-24_Report Best I can find $ 132,466.01 Africa $ 4,902,373.13 Asia $ 49,423,340.29 Europe $106,546,895.77 N.America $ 2,509,299.46 Other $ 6,082,217.76 Oceania $ 944,844.22 S.America

It looks from another chart like 21% of revenue is recurring, so $10 million annually for Europe.

Convert that to GBP and you get about £7.5 million.

Figure that the UK accounts for about 15% of the European economy and assume it contributes to Wikipedia at about an equal share.

That's about £1.125 million in estimated annual recurring contributions from the UK.

You said 10-100/mo, so let's assume £55/mo or £660/year as the mean.

That would be about 1,700 Brits, a surprising number.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

You can pretty much get rid of the entire internet that way. All across the USA there are "child protection laws" banning pornography (what's pornography? some politicians say it's mentioning that trans people exist!). Countries like China and Russia have legal mandates to store and process data within their borders. China requires a license to even host a website. The UK and EU have the GDPR, and now the UK also has the OSA. Then there are the incompatible privacy laws (for instance, EU courts have considered DNT as a legal measure to deter tracking, while several American states ban explicitly prevent the DNT header from counting). Oh, and of course, any website with any kind of user-submittable content is subject to laws like the DMCA and the recent EU anti-CSAM laws which put site operators in grave legal risk.

I don't even know what laws apply to the Middle East, Africa, or South America, but I'm sure there are enough of them to make most sites culpable in some way.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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> The parents have been getting a free pass all this time I totally agree but the UK government – particular Labour – doesn't want people to take responsibility really, because that would take from their own 'power'. There's nothing the UK loves more than a stupid population hooked on benefits and devoid of education, critical thinking and financial freedom.

Not the UK, Labour.

The Tories wrote the law for the recent changes to internet freedom in the UK. Labour supports it. Support seems to come from all sides across the political spectrum.

I think the Greens are opposed to it, and maybe Reform in one of their populist speeches, but the majority of UK representatives seem to support this law.

Based on this poll, most Britons also support the OSA: https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/britons-back-online-safety-acts-...

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #430

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Welcome to Schufa in Germany, the “social credit score” without which is almost impossible to rent or buy in most German cities, if the report (which most folks hardly know how it gets calculated) doesn't have the right numbers on it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schufa

That's just a basic financial credit score, and you can easily rent without one (even though some financial accountability is probably reasonable to balance the strong renter protection laws here). What's so nefarious about it?

The intransparency and the constant attempts to get access to more and more data troves. And the borderline extortionate pricing - it's not the landlords who have to pay for each score report, it is expected that interested renters pay. Close to as vile as the real estate broker pages where you are chanceless until you pay for a premium membership.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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Tbf, well implemented digital ID would be much preferable to the idiotic situation that we're in now. The emphasis on well implemented.

That would require trusting a government such as the British one to implement it well. That's far too big an ask for them, so the current situation is preferable.

Tbf, the team behind .gov websites has been exceptional and I think that part of the digitization of government services has been done really well. So I think it's definitely possible - the question is will the government do that, or will they pay someone few billion quid for an off the shelf solution from a company owned by someone's uncle/brother/cousin that will be a flaming mess.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #297
post #267

There's an opportunity for a service like CloudFlare here give people a simple toggle that manages geoblocks on legal liability factors. It's way too much for every organisation to individually track every country's laws day by day in case just by being accessible there you incur a liability. And it sounds like the UK would have just self-selected out of the list of "safe" countries. If something like this was in wid…

So a service like CloudFlare is the Great firewall of the world and CloudFlare can shut you down if you go against their interests as a supranational gatekeeper. Smart thinking Batman.

The people turning on the "block UK" button can block the UK regardless of what CDN they use.

Cloudflare just offers a button with fewer false positives than naive GeoIP databases. They're not so much gatekeepers as they are the security guards hired by the stores themselves.

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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post #299

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I wish Wikipedia would take one for the team, and go dark in the UK. (And I'm in the UK). Wouldn't work with somewhere like China, but the UK might still be capable of being shamed.

Wikipedia gets a lot of donations from the uk. I’m not sure how many Brits would continue putting £10-100/mo into a charity that explicitly doesn't operate in their borders.

Wouldn't make a dent in their budget. They are not poor by any means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Fundraising_statisti...

Re: Imgur pulls out of UK as data watchdog threatens fine

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If you follow the DMCA I don't see why not.

Because the DMCA’s safe-harbor provisions only apply to sites that adhere to its requirements. Sites whose primary purpose is to host torrent files or infohashes arguably don’t qualify. If the DMCA allowed US operators to host torrent catalogs openly, there’d be a plethora of them.

The US does allow it. No one has tried it without trying to induce cipyright infrigment or following the DMCA properly.

Also its hard and extremely expensive to defend yourself to prove it in a niche specifically where people are looking not to pay making it harder to montize to defend properly.

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