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ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by KPGv2 »

_9ptr wrote: post #176
KPGv2 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The US constitution has a crystal clear right to bear arms It looks like it was drafted by an ESL speaker. It's by far the worst-drafted amendment, grammatically speaking: > A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. It's not even a valid English sentence, and it certainly never bothers to define "Arms." Not to me…

Remove the first and last comma and the sentence works splendidly

No, it doesn't. I said it's grammatically incorrect, not orthographically incorrect. (It's arguably correct orthographically based on the incorrect grammar.)

> [Noun], being [clause], [grammatically correct sentence]

is objectively incorrect English grammar.

Eliding the "being" appositive, you're left with

> [Noun], [sentence].

Unless you're talking to the noun (as in "Hey, you, the well regulated militia! Did you know that the right to keep and bear arms . . . "), it's not grammatically correct.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by danielscrubs »

ohman876 wrote: post #510
txrx0000 wrote: post #287

Dear citizens of the EU: If this gets pushed through, you will gradually lose control of your government much like how the people of the UK already lost control of theirs. What are you going to do when the government's interests inevitably drift out of alignment with yours? Start a political movement? You will have the police knocking on your door for criticizing the establishment. Start a revolution? You have no wea…

> If this gets pushed through, you will gradually lose control of your government A little bit off-topic but so called president of the EU is not elected, nor are the figures in so called EU commission :)

Brexit was an awful thing, BUT it will increase democracy for both parties.

EU needs to be made more democratic or we need to severely limit its power, as its original intent, because the current show is just a farce.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by Popeyes »

ycombigators wrote: post #427
txrx0000 wrote: post #287

Dear citizens of the EU: If this gets pushed through, you will gradually lose control of your government much like how the people of the UK already lost control of theirs. What are you going to do when the government's interests inevitably drift out of alignment with yours? Start a political movement? You will have the police knocking on your door for criticizing the establishment. Start a revolution? You have no wea…

"much like how the people of the UK already lost control of theirs" What are you on about, mate?

Get your Bacofoil for this thread.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by dotancohen »

theodric wrote: post #465
TeMPOraL wrote: post #425

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Start a revolution? You have no weapons. (...) You have neither the pen nor the sword. We still have Euros. As long as enough companies and rich folk are more on our side than theirs, the government still has some incentive to serve us. I know, I know - money and politics, wealth and power, they go together at the high end. But there is the oft forgotten long tail, the rich and powerful at the scale of a city, a ne…

I watched a Dutch cop discharge his gun into a crowd in 2017 or 2018 and face no consequences, so don't give me that nonsense. The State will kill you if it wants to.

I cannot find such an incident.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by elric »

jenadine wrote: post #366
lovelearning wrote: post #45

Is CSA really that widespread in Europe that everyone's chat messages have to be monitored? And if it is that widespread, shouldn't they try to address it socially to prevent CSA as much as possible rather than try to catch just the subset of tech-savvy abusers, that too after they've already committed CSA?

With the access to phones, underage teenager may be taking nude pictures of themselves. They should be put in jail where they belong. /s

I have a friend who performs court-ordered treatments of people convicted of sexual crimes. She frequently sees cases like this. Young teens sexting, parents of one of them find out, the other one gets in legal trouble. It is absolutely insane to see perfectly normal behaviour ruining lives because of misinterpreted laws and overbearing parents.

Chat Control would only make this sort of thing more frequent.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by AlgebraFox »

varispeed wrote: post #125

To me this is simply an act of terrorism. People who are behind those proposals should be charged and face trial. There is no excuse for this and it is a stain on EU history for even letting this go so far. Anyone proposing this should not only be sacked but also referred to de-radicalisation / anti-terrorism programme in their country and forever banned from holding any kind of public sector office. There is no excu…

This. ChatControl proposal is an act of terrorism. Doesn't matter it's done by those in power.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by elric »

If the goal really was "to protect the children" then all the time, money, and effort being spent on this dystopian shit would instead be spent on the treatment of pedosexuals in order to reduce the number of perpetrators. On child support and on reducing poverty in order to reduce the number of victims under the radar. On psychological support for the victims of sexual crimes. On reinforcing justice systems so they can process the existing cases related to (child) sexual assault. Etc.

Re: ChatControl: EU wants to scan all private messages, even in encrypted apps

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Post by 11mariom »

kevincox wrote: post #257
bapak wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From TFA > the proposed legislation includes exemptions for government accounts used for “national security purposes, maintaining law and order or military purposes”. Convenient.

I can buy the military exemption, and maybe some very top level government workers that are effectively military (example: POTUS). But the EU parliament has no reason to be excluded. It is definitely a terrible law if it is so bad that they won't pass it unless they are excluded.

> I can buy the military exemption

While I understand it… there is no need for any exemption if the bad, stupid law will not be in place at all ;)

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