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Re: Ultrasonic Chef's Knife

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>People spend hundreds of dollars and many hours sharpening kitchen knives... What amazes me is how many people spend absolutely zero time sharpening knives, using decades-old knives that have never been sharpened and can't even cut through cucumbers.

I don't use knives in my kitchen. My romantic partner does. Yesterday I decided to cut some tomatoes only to find out that all knives are dull. She never said anything, I didn't know it. Why? Because she is just "used" to it and to her these knives were just fine. So she never thought about sharpening knives in the first place. I will take those knives to a pro and he will sharpen them for me, as in a rental I stay i…

>> I will take those knives to a pro and he will sharpen them for me, as in a rental I stay in, I don't have the tools to do that and as I said in another comment - I don't have a pain free process to do that as I don't do it often

Do you also replace your elderly relatives' Windows XP with linux distros, because linux is a better OS?

The moment you return the sharpened knives to your partner and she starts using them, she'll cut herself, with a small probability for a serious cut that will leave permanent damage to her hand.

Think carefully.

Re: Ultrasonic Chef's Knife

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Duller knives cut more slowly, hence if I cut my finger, I feel it before it goes deeper, which is safer. Such knife seems like a disaster waiting to happen, I can't see the benefit honestly.

This isn’t how it works. Duller blades are more dangerous because when you cut with a dull blade you have to push harder and then that blade can do things you’re not anticipating. Have you spent any serious time in the kitchen? Sharp blades are incredibly important for… cutting.

People say duller blades are more dangerous yet all the times I've seriously hurt myself were just after I'd gotten it sharpened.

Re: Ultrasonic Chef's Knife

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don't use honing steel. at best it doesn't do anything, at worst it damages your knife. here's a closer look at it with a microscope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4ReQ83CZOQ

just a guy abusing his knife to prove he can't fix it using the wrong tool badly

No? The point was to understand what the tool does and when it can help. And he found out that if you have a Burr it can help. But if you have a properly sharpened knife without a Burr it won't do anything to help and will just destroy your edge.

Re: Ultrasonic Chef's Knife

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Overall agree it seems cool, and maybe interesting. "People spend hundreds of dollars and many hours sharpening kitchen knives," The former, totally agree - i've seen people buy a tormek to do basic knife sharpening (not grinding), which is like swatting a fly with an $800 hammer. The latter, do you mean overall, or in a sitting or what? I've certainly seen people on various forums go nuts, and then you have hertzman…

Since you seem knowledgeable about knives, Do you know any great knives makers? And are those custom steels or carbide blades worth it? So far, I mostly sharpen my knives on the back of a plate. So definitely could be doing more :)

There are lots of great knife makers. Depends on what you want. Knives become about aesthetics and feel pretty quickly, price point wise. Not cutting functionality (ease of cutting, whatever).

Victorinox knives rank very well in just about any real-use ranking I’ve ever seen and are extremely affordable. If you just want good knives that will serve you well, won’t break the bank, and you won’t feel bad using them, that’s what I would do. There are other good recommendations in the thread as well.

As for custom steels - outside of currently very expensive processes (powdered metallurgy, etc), it is basically “maximum sharpness”, “edge retention”, “ease of sharpening”, pick maybe two. Edge retention here is shorthand for both brittleness (chipping) and abrasion resistance (regular wear), even though they differ for some things.

High grade carbide, for example, is extremely tough and resists edge abrasion. But because of the large grain size it is ~impossible to get it as sharp as carbon steel by hand. Additionally, the same abrasion resistance also means you need something hard enough to sharpen it.

If you remember those little scratch kits you may have played with once in science class as a child where you tried to see which rocks scratches other rocks, this is the practical application of that.

Even in metalworking people will often make or use hss cutters when they need something really really sharp or custom. Or just cheap. And use carbide ones when they don’t. Because you really can’t get carbide as sharp as HSS and sometimes it matters. I can also easily make a really good HSS cuttter, but making a really good carbide one would take significantly more expensive tooling and time.

This is one example.

Ceramic knives[1] tend to have very high edge retention, but are very brittle and fracture easily. So it's very easy to nick them. This makes them last forever if you are slicing but not if you are chopping. They are also ~impossible to sharpen without diamonds.

In the end - we can construct steels and other things with very nice properties at high cost, and it's cool and fun to explore the limits there, but it’s not going to make you a better chef, or make your prep 10x faster or whatever. This isn't to say it's completely impossible to make somethign that is awesome at everything, but we use what we use because we can make them without nudging atoms into a matrix one by one :)

So while it's possible to get 5x the edge life out of an impossible to sharpen knife (for example), for most people, it's not worth it. They don't even notice once the novelty wears off.

[1] Tungsten carbide is really a ceramic but people often mistake it for a metal/steel, when in reality it's often just alloyed/glued/etc to metals, etc. Assume i'm not talking about tungsten here.

Re: Ultrasonic Chef's Knife

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> People spend hundreds of dollars and many hours sharpening kitchen knives With a mass market electric sharpener and a reasonable knife I spend maybe 15 minutes/yr on sharpening and the knife + sharpener costs less than half this product The marketing video seems to try to head people like me off, but it also seems to wildly overstate the level of commitment required to have sharp knives (I do think the tech is cool…

To embrace a stereotype, there are two types of people in the kitchen: Tool enthusiasts and food enthusiasts. The tool enthusiast has beautiful Japanese steel knives treated as family heirlooms; the knives are sent out for professional sharpening once or twice a year. The food enthusiast has a pile of fibrox knives and a chef's choice electric sharpener. The knives go through the sharpener once a month and the dishwa…

Most people I know never sharpen their knives. My grandmothers (both of whom cooked for all branches of the family every day when I was a kid) never did. I think if a knife got too dull they simply chucked it out and got a new one. And probably cut themselves a few times until it got dulled enough.

Anyway that's three kinds of people: two kinds of foodies, and everyone else.

Re: Ultrasonic Chef's Knife

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What happens when the ultrasonic knife gets dull? At what point is a regular sharp knife better?

Most people don't maintain their knives well and they get really ineffective over time. Others who do, probably won't buy this...

Re: Ultrasonic Chef's Knife

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I feel like the demo video embodies a lot of startup advice I've seen on HN about product vs team. This video makes me like Scott and Seattle Ultrasonics. I feel I can trust Scott's expertise. His backstory fits what I imagine I would do if I were obsessed with a project like this. This makes me compelled to learn more and to maybe become a customer? Why? Because I want to see Scott succeed and would feel proud to be…

I'm afraid all it did for me is it made me think to myself (in a sarcastic inner voice): "are you going to do a screwdriver next?".

Re: Ultrasonic Chef's Knife

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Maybe I'm just a sci-fi nerd who loves innovation, but this is so cool! Clearly, this product is not intended for the mass market, and may find purchase with people who have tennis elbow and who can afford it, etc. . But still, when was the last time someone tried to re-invent something as basic as a knife?

Me, immediately: ooh Star Wars vibroblade!

40K chainswords next.

Re: Ultrasonic Chef's Knife

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Why is it people here seem so unusually sceptical? It's expensive (but not really, only compared to knives - a $500 GPU isn't expensive). It's probably mostly good in certain niches and using a $10 knife that's sharpened properly is probably 95% as good in almost every application, and using a $10 knife that is only reasonably well sharpened is probably 90% as good. Slicing stuff for hotpot or yakiniku or Korean BBQ…

>> I notice this on other forums. If marketing isn't slick and well targeted, people get upset and suspicious because it's marketing.

For me, I get extra upset and suspicious if marketing is well targeted. Add a plus one if it is particularly slick.

Just something off-putting in someone trying to draw on my strings, which I see all too well myself, thank you.

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