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MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline

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Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline

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I believe this is true for literally anything that replaces practice. We're meant to build muscle memory for things through repetition, but if we sidestep the repetition by farming it out to another process, we never build muscle memory.

Data doesn’t support it

Feel free to point to said data.

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I think developers who use "AI" coding assistants are putting their careers at risk.

The future is increased productivity. If someone can outproduce you if they use AI, then they will take your job.

Blink twice if your employer is abusing you

Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline

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As the other comment said, LLMs are not an abstraction. An abstraction is a deterministic, pure function, than when given A always returns B. This allows the consumer to rely on the abstraction. This reliance frees up the consumer from having to implement the A->B, thus allowing it to move up the ladder. LLMs, by their very nature are probabilistic. Probabilistic is NOT deterministic. Which means the consumer is neve…

So it's a noisy abstraction. Programmers deal with that all the time. Whenever you bring in an outside library or dependency there's an implicit contract that you don't have to look underneath the abstraction. But it's noisy so sometimes you do. Colleagues are the same thing. You may abstract business domains and say that something is the job of your colleague, but sometimes that abstraction breaks. Still good enough…

Competent programmers use well established libraries and dependencies, not ones that are unreliable as LLMs.

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This article was probably written by AI, because anyone with half a brain could not read the study and come to the same conclusions. Basically, participants spent less than half an hour, 4 times, over 4 months, writing some bullcrap SAT type essay. Some participants used AI. So to accept the premise of the article, using an AI tool once a month for 20 minutes caused noticeable brain rot. It is silly on its face. What…

> What the study actually showed, people don't have an investment or strong memory to output they didn't produce. Problem with LLMs is, when you pass hours feeding prompts to solve a problem, you actually did help (a lot!) to produce the output.

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Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline

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The vast majority of programmers don't know assembly, so can in fact not work without all the abstractions they rely on. Do you therefore argue programming languages aren't abstractions?

> The vast majority of programmers don't know assembly, so can in fact not work without all the abstractions they rely on. The problem with this analogy is obvious when you imagine an assembler generating machine code that doesn't work half of the time and a human trying to correct that.

An abstraction doesn't cease to be one because it's imperfect, or even wrong.

Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline

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A few things to note. 1. This is arxiv - before publication or peer review. Grain of salt.[0] 2. 18 participants per cohort 3. 54 participants total Given the low N and the likelihood that this is drawn from 18-22 year olds attending MIT, one should expect an uphill battle for replication and for generalizability. Further, they are brain scanning during the experiment, which is an uncomfortable/out-of-the-norm experi…

I expect this to replicate trivially. You would too if you had interacted with anybody who started using LLMs more and more recently. You can literally watch the IQs drop like a rock. People who used to be lively debaters now need to ask Grok or ChatGPT before saying anything.

Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline

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So it's a noisy abstraction. Programmers deal with that all the time. Whenever you bring in an outside library or dependency there's an implicit contract that you don't have to look underneath the abstraction. But it's noisy so sometimes you do. Colleagues are the same thing. You may abstract business domains and say that something is the job of your colleague, but sometimes that abstraction breaks. Still good enough…

Noisy is an understatement, it's buggy, it's error filled, it's time consuming and inefficient. It's exact opposite of automation but great for job security.

It's unfortunately not great for job security either. Do you know how Google massively underinvests in support? Their support is mostly automated and is only good at shooing people away. Many companies would jump at the opportunity to adopt AI and accept massive declines in quality as long as it results in cost savings. Working people and customers will get screwed hard.

Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline

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This comment reminds me of the so called Dunning Kruger Effect. That paper had pretty close to the same participation size, and participants were pulled from a single school (Cornell). It also has major methodology problems, and has had an uphill battle for replication and generalizability, actually losing the battle in some cases. And yet, we have a famous term for it that people love to use, often and incorrectly,…

I mean there are clear problems with heavy exposure to TV, video games and I have no doubt that there are similar problems with heavy AI use. Any adult with children can clearly see the addiction qualities and behavioral fall out.

I agree with you there. I wasn’t really arguing that there aren’t behavior or addiction problems, however you inserted the word “heavy” and it’s doing some heavy lifting here, and you brought up addiction and behavior which aren’t really the same topic as cognitive decline. The posted article isn’t arguing that there’s a heavy use threashold, it’s arguing that all use of AI is brain damaging. Lots of historical hyperbole about games, TV, and social media did the same.

One confounding problem with the argument that TV and video games made kids dumber is the Flynn Effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect

Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline

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As the other comment said, LLMs are not an abstraction. An abstraction is a deterministic, pure function, than when given A always returns B. This allows the consumer to rely on the abstraction. This reliance frees up the consumer from having to implement the A->B, thus allowing it to move up the ladder. LLMs, by their very nature are probabilistic. Probabilistic is NOT deterministic. Which means the consumer is neve…

Ok, let's call it a stochastic transformation over abstraction spaces. It's basically sampling from the set of deterministic transformations given the priors established by the prompt.

You're bending over backwards to imply that it's deterministic without saying it is. It's not. LLMs, by its very nature, don't have a well-defined relationship between its input and output. It makes tons of mistakes that's utterly incomprehensible because of that.

Re: MIT Study Finds AI Use Reprograms the Brain, Leading to Cognitive Decline

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We're just moving up the abstraction ladder, like we did with compilers. I don't care about the individual lines of code, I care about architecture, code structure, rigorous automated e2e tests, contracts with comprehensive validation, etc. Rather than waste a bunch of time pouring over agent PRs I just make them jump over extremely high static/analytic hurdles that guarantee functionality, then my only job is to ide…

As the other comment said, LLMs are not an abstraction. An abstraction is a deterministic, pure function, than when given A always returns B. This allows the consumer to rely on the abstraction. This reliance frees up the consumer from having to implement the A->B, thus allowing it to move up the ladder. LLMs, by their very nature are probabilistic. Probabilistic is NOT deterministic. Which means the consumer is neve…

Just want to commend you for the perfect way of describing this re. not being an abstraction
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