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I Am An AI Hater

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Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by the_af »

frozenseven wrote: post #495
the_af wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean? As far as I know, the context is that Miyazaki hated it because it reminded him of a friend with disabilities. That's why he said it was an insult to life itself. Miyazaki's attitude to tech in general is ambivalent, isn't it? He used to be very conservative and traditional, yet in Princess Mononoke you can tell he used some CGI. I think I agree with his approach: the work/vision comes first, and te…

For what the demo actually was, Miyazaki's reaction didn't make sense. The anti-AI activists' use of this soundbite makes even less sense.

I agree it's taken out of context in current AI discourse. It's just a fun anecdote.

> For what the demo actually was, Miyazaki's reaction didn't make sense.

Hard disagree. Miyazaki explains his position in the video (reminded him of a friend with disabilities, etc). Plus there's an aesthetic and art sensibility to his opinion; this is Miyazaki, not just any other author. The failure was probably on his subordinates, they forgot who they were demoing to.

It's like showing a 3D game demo to someone who fundamentally dislikes 3D in games (or gore to someone who dislikes gore, etc). I mean, sure, it could land... but most likely it won't.

It doesn't really say much about AI in general, this was Miyazaki's personal take and an amusing quote that is too much fun to resist mentioning.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by perching_aix »

pegasus wrote: post #500
perching_aix wrote: post #497

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I consider these to be trivial attributes of what I wrote. It was basically all part of the point: I don't appreciate the position taken in the blogpost in the OP, as it is willfully dishonest (its author not only admits, but even flaunts this). This is why I remarked that I'm following in its spirit. All the points you list out are issues I also have in general with discourse like the blogpost, and with derivat…

I see, you were playing "Picasso hater" to OP's "AI hater". Well played, in this case, but you could have just written what you just have above, it would have prevented some confusion and misdirection. Yes, OP is unreasonable and arrogant and thus ends up going totally overboard, even though there is some truth in his complaints (pinpointing better what that is would be a worthwhile conversation to have). In my book,…

Well yeah, I could have done that, but then outcome would have been impacted. Apologies for pulling a fast one on you like this.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by frozenseven »

the_af wrote: post #511
frozenseven wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what the demo actually was, Miyazaki's reaction didn't make sense. The anti-AI activists' use of this soundbite makes even less sense.

I agree it's taken out of context in current AI discourse. It's just a fun anecdote. > For what the demo actually was, Miyazaki's reaction didn't make sense. Hard disagree. Miyazaki explains his position in the video (reminded him of a friend with disabilities, etc). Plus there's an aesthetic and art sensibility to his opinion; this is Miyazaki, not just any other author. The failure was probably on his subordinates,…

I guess I have a very different take on these types of outbursts. Especially when it's coming from these 'revered' figures.

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by lucyjojo »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #431
jkingsman wrote: post #8

I appreciate seeing this point of view represented. It's not one I personally hold, but it is one a LOT of my friends hold, and I think it's important that it be given a voice, even if -- perhaps especially if -- a lot of people disagree with it. One of my friends sent me a delightful bastardization of the famous IBM quote: A COMPUTER CAN NEVER FEEL SPITEFUL OR [PASSIONATE†]. THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER CREATE AR…

I love to employ AI but completely understand the criticism. It does increase my productivity as a software dev. I also think the 10 hours of random electro swing or other genres of generated music is of extremely high quality. It isn't bland music, on the contrary it is playful and varied. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmUSK1IjoQg&list=RDLmUSK1Ijo... It is entertaining and a viewing experience. And yet, I…

did you link the right video?

it was extremely bland... dry as an oat in a flash freezer...

Re: I Am An AI Hater

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Post by lproven »

danielbln wrote: post #12

Yet it is here to stay, won't go away and even if it won't get any better at the useful things it does, it is useful. The externalities are real, some can be removed, some mitigated. If you're a hater and a human, then you don't have to mitigate anything, of course. Me, I hate the externalities, but I love the thing. I want to use my own AI, hyper optimized and efficient and private. It would mitigate a lot. Maybe so…

> Yet it is here to stay, won't go away and even if it won't get any better at the useful things it does, it is useful.

"Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings." — Ursula K. Le Guin

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