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The DEA put Adderall on its list of the most abused medication, and limits production of it and investigates doctors who prescribe too much of it. This is a response to the problems with the abuse of legal opiates a decade ago- the DEA now takes potential abuse of legal drugs much more seriously and adderall (an amphetamine- it's a cousin of meth) is at a high risk of abuse. Your psychiatrist is trying to deal with t…

You're right, and the situation is a harm to those who need adderall. Besides, adderall is not nearly as dangerous as Opiods. Whoopty-doo if it's diet Coke. This is why, even though I don't like Adderall's side effects for my ADHD and don't use it often, I keep the prescription, because fuck the government trying to squeeze pharmacists and doctors.

So even though there's a shortage, you're keeping your prescription to "fuck the government" but actually only fucking someone who needs it and cannot get it?

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Yes, it is most commonly used a study drug. It is a strong stimulant (more like cocaine than like coffee) and potentially addictive so potentially dangerous and requires medical supervision. it is a formulation of amphetamine.

You aren’t really going to get addicted to therapeutic doses. Recreational doses are like 5-10x what a doctor would prescribe, with restrictive laws in the U.S. you can only get a months supply at a time. Would be pretty dumb to use your months dosage for 3 days of partying

Very few people are taking 350-700mg of Adderall... Recreational doses can be lower than the highest prescription dose.

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Obviously it's characterized as a disorder, but I really think that perspective should be challenged. Like autism, the diagnostic criteria are almost exclusively framed in how other people are impacted or inconvenienced by it. Very little attention is paid to the experience of the person actually living with it. I see it as a difference, but not necessarily a disorder. As someone with "severe" ADHD there are tons of…

Do you have ADHD? Because as someone that has it, it's definitely very much something that heavily impacts the individual with it, and not just society. It's hard to consistent do things, form habits, maintain attention. You have almost a lack of object permanence, a hard time remembering long-term memories, etc. There are so many problems it causes that aren't even occupational related but lead to negative outcomes…

did you only read half before your rage-reflex had you posting this adhd diatribe? he says he has ADHD if youd have read to the end

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I have a question for you. For context, in case you haven't read it, we are discussing scientific paper reporting a large population study (almost 150,000 newly-diagnosed ADHD patients, aged 6–64 years old) which compared the outcomes of those who were medicated (~57%) and those who were unmedicated (~43%). Around 88% of the medicated cohort were prescribed methylphenidate (e.g. Concerta or Ritalin). The conclusions…

> Specifically, how do you explain so-called "ADHD" patients who were medicated having a statistically significant lower risk of suicidal behaviours,

the medicine they took caused those effects.

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Needing to fix ADHD is itself a cultural thing. Back 100 years ago, you didn’t need an 8 hour attention span to sit at a desk staring at a monitor while the AC dries your eyeballs until they feel like foil scratching on a blackboard

There are ways in which ADHD is a societal issue rather than an individual one, sure. But they're not the whole of ADHD. If I habitually lose track of time, get wrapped up in the game that I'm playing, and forget to meet up with my friends when we've agreed to because of it, I'm going to lose friends. That's not a societal problem, that's just how relationships work. If I absentmindedly leave a half-eaten yogurt out…

>If I habitually lose track of time why have you decided this is unfixable?

> If I absentmindedly leave a half-eaten yogurt out on the counter, and my clutter blindness makes me forget sorry, what? clutter-blindness? is this a clinical testable condition, or just something invented for adhd?

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Physical pain is subjective too. What isn't? It also appears all the qualifiers are removed, for example * Often appears not to be listening when spoken to * Frequently loses items required for tasks and activities * Is frequently easily distracted by extraneous stimuli * Often forgets daily activities * Is frequently reluctant to engage in tasks which require sustained attention and so on. Everyone forgets a name or…

but the threshold is vague and arbirtary.

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Physical pain is subjective too. What isn't? It also appears all the qualifiers are removed, for example * Often appears not to be listening when spoken to * Frequently loses items required for tasks and activities * Is frequently easily distracted by extraneous stimuli * Often forgets daily activities * Is frequently reluctant to engage in tasks which require sustained attention and so on. Everyone forgets a name or…

and theres nothing subjective about a broken leg, no two doctors would disagree on a broken leg like they would disagree over mental health conditions. you meant to say physical "health" is subjective, ie what we class as "unhealthy".

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Additional context. > Symptoms and/or behaviors that have persisted ≥ 6 months in ≥ 2 settings (e.g., school, home, church). Symptoms have negatively impacted academic, social, and/or occupational functioning. Inpatients aged Clearly these aren't saying "have they ever misplaced anything?" or "have they ever forgotten anything?". Sure, most people have had some of these things happen some of the time. Yeah, all kids…

Most people aren't experiencing these symptoms to such a degree that it significantly impacts their ability to function.

it only has to negatively impact academic, social or occupational functioning - according to the patient or parent. ie its subjective, anyone can claim to be having a bad time and that "hey i forget things, im a clutz!" now i have adhd.

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Are you really here trying to claim that ADHD is not a real developmental disorder? To a bunch of people who have lived all their lives with ADHD? Yes, the symptoms of ADHD are mostly things that most people experience sometimes in their lives. The reason it's a disorder is because they occur commonly enough to affect our lives. This is not that dissimilar from many other neurodivergencies and mental health issues: M…

> Many people feel anxious from time to time...Most people do not have clinical anxiety.

This is the point Im trying to make to you. Just because youre forgetful, awkward socially, clumsy or find things boring - you dont have a disorder.

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Pain is entirely subjective and self reported, but we are still pretty sure it exists, and we have medical treatments for it.

Pain is a symptom not a disease

Im not saying clumsiness, anxiety or forgetfulness dont exist either

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