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Post by z7 »

henriquegodoy wrote: post #432

That SWE-bench chart with the mismatched bars (52.8% somehow appearing larger than 69.1%) was emblematic of the entire presentation - rushed and underwhelming. It's the kind of error that would get flagged in any internal review, yet here it is in a billion-dollar product launch. Combined with the Bernoulli effect demo confidently explaining how airplane wings work incorrectly (the equal transit time fallacy that NAS…

>The actual benchmark improvements are marginal at best

GPT-5 demonstrates exponential growth in task completion times:

https://metr.org/blog/2025-03-19-measuring-ai-ability-to-com...

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highfrequency wrote: post #331

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

I think this is simply due to the fact that to train an AGI-level AI currently requires almost grid scale amounts of compute. So the current limitation is purely physical hardware. No matter how intelligent GPT-5 is, it can't conjure extra compute out of thin air.

I think you'll see the prophesized exponentiation once AI can start training itself at reasonable scale. Right now its not possible.

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Post by ralfd »

ricardobayes wrote: post #497
highfrequency wrote: post #331

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

AGI in 5/10 years is similar to "we won't have steering wheels in cars" or "we'll be asleep driving" in 5/10 years. Remember that? What happened to that? It looked so promising.

> "we'll be asleep driving" in 5/10 years. Remember that? What happened to that?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dLCEUSXVKAA

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Post by general1726 »

highfrequency wrote: post #331

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

Because they are hitting Compute Efficient Frontier. Models can't be much bigger, there is no more original data on the internet, so all models will eventually cluster to similar CEF as was described in this video 10 months ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eqRuVp65eY

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Post by Topfi »

iammrpayments wrote: post #435
Topfi wrote: post #281

> 400,000 context window > 128,000 max output tokens > Input $1.25 > Output $10.00 Source: https://platform.openai.com/docs/models/gpt-5 If this performs well in independent needle-in-haystack and adherence evaluations, this pricing with this context window alone would make GPT-5 extremely competitive with Gemini 2.5 Pro and Claude Opus 4.1, even if the output isn't a significant improvement over o3. If the output qu…

You also have to count the cost of having to verify your identity to use the API

OpenRouter (and potentially Azure in the near future) are options if verifying for enterprise API use is too hard to stomach.

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Post by bigfishrunning »

v5v3 wrote: post #251

The live stream just has Altman interviewing a lady who was diagnosed 3 different cancers. GPT4 gave her better response than doctors she said.

does "better" mean "the response she wanted to hear"? Not sure how valuable that is if that's true.

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Post by lasc4r »

highfrequency wrote: post #331

It is frequently suggested that once one of the AI companies reaches an AGI threshold, they will take off ahead of the rest. It's interesting to note that at least so far, the trend has been the opposite: as time goes on and the models get better, the performance of the different company's gets clustered closer together. Right now GPT-5, Claude Opus, Grok 4, Gemini 2.5 Pro all seem quite good across the board (ie the…

These companies seem to think AGI will come from better LLMs, seems more like an AGI dead end that's plateaued to me.
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