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Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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This is a quote from your initial response to me and was quoted just above where I suggested it must be an alt: > That's why I said it doesn't surprise me no one in any of these samples wears a genuine smile. So I ask again, why are you explaining "why said it doesn't surprise ..." when I've never interacted with you before that reply of yours and you didn't say that prior to this explanation in that post? I guess th…

Well, I'm not really considering you as a person, any more than you could so consider me, we never having met. That's fair, in that this is a website intentionally privileging the quality of discourse in prose over the quality of credentials behind a screen name. (Historically, at least. I do get the sense being called a 'robber baron' enough might go to some people's heads, possibly coinciding with a noticeable incr…

> Well, I'm not really considering you as a person, any more than you could so consider me, we never having met.

That's a really deranged way to approach interacting with people! It does, however, explain a lot about how you post: you're basically arguing with your internal constructions of how people on Hacker News are and not at all with what they say. Your posts, this one quite specifically, are just you disagreeing with your internal construction of posters:

> Well, I'm not really considering you as a person, any more than you could so consider me, we never having met

I do consider you a person, though! That's just a really weird thing you have decided on and it doesn't extend to everyone else.

> For the same reason, I predict your next effort would have been to claim I have no stronger basis to speak on the topic than do you, and demand I distill the experience of ten years and something like a hundred thousand exposures into a tidy, ChatGPT-compatible bullet list which you can then performatively evaluate and find wanting. Oh, you won't do that now, of course. But you thought about it two paragraphs ago.

I wasn't considering doing that at all! I don't care about challenging your photography knowledge. I don't know anything about it other than you claim to have a lot and I only got that because you made sure to tell me.

> It's rare to see someone claim at once that two other people, strangers all, are both lying.

I never claimed anyone was lying! I claimed, based on your reply implicitly asserting we had already conversed, the logical conclusion that you would have to be the other poster and were using an alt. Why else would someone explain to me what they have already said without having ever said it to me? Now you've explained that: you don't talk to people; you talk to ideas of people that you have internally constructed. That's not typical.

> You having spoken as if from great and very confident knowledge of so complex and nuanced a topic, I suppose it seemed reasonable also to expect at least passing familiarity with the actual conversations among which you were doing so.

I responded to one specific leap of theory of mind! It's actually a really narrow and simple topic: can someone infer from the blogpost that the boys were grimacing because the photographer was fiddling with a camera instead of fiddling with an iPhone. The answer, of course, is you can't with the knowledge presented.

> I do have this regrettable habit of assuming people intend to contribute to a discussion when they choose to participate in it, but I realize you're not alone in appearing to have other reasons.

I did contribute! I even went so far as to watch a large portion of the video you claimed showed that the stated theory of mind could be seen in action. I then wrote that the video doesn't show that at all. That's a contribution and a constructive one!

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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Like this or worse? https://yager.io/comp/comp.html

Way worse. At least here the text looks like the original. Here is an example of what that looks like: https://imgur.com/Q4J5BHi In case it isn't obvious due to the zoom and lack of context: - The texture on the top and windshield don't exist, it's plain gray. - The letters on the card actually read something, here it's gibberish. Sometimes half a letter, sometimes a texture that doesn't exist.

All the patterns in the photo look pixel by pixel generated(looking at the distorsion) versus a normal camera distorsion when you get at the edge of capability/zoom(smearing etc)

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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Well, I'm not really considering you as a person, any more than you could so consider me, we never having met. That's fair, in that this is a website intentionally privileging the quality of discourse in prose over the quality of credentials behind a screen name. (Historically, at least. I do get the sense being called a 'robber baron' enough might go to some people's heads, possibly coinciding with a noticeable incr…

> Well, I'm not really considering you as a person, any more than you could so consider me, we never having met. That's a really deranged way to approach interacting with people! It does, however, explain a lot about how you post: you're basically arguing with your internal constructions of how people on Hacker News are and not at all with what they say. Your posts, this one quite specifically, are just you disagreei…

> you're basically arguing with your internal constructions of how people on Hacker News are

Yes. So are you. That's how language works in humans. This is a website. The words are mostly written by people, but only words are here. Hadn't you noticed?

> and not at all with what they say

Yet you fail to read what I actually wrote, in your haste to call me insane about it because of how much you dislike what you incorrectly assumed it to say. Have fun with whatever it is you're here to do.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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I disagree, I thought the article highlighted the differences beautifully. I'm on a professionally color calibrated 27" monitor that came with one of those color calibration "certificates" at the time of purchase. The second I loaded the article, the differences were just stark. The skin tones alone were a dead giveaway. It is no secret that Apple does a lot of post processing on their mediocre photos to make them lo…

>more so than most other Androids It the old days Apple used to somewhat pride themselves with taking more "realistic" photos. While Android had it the other way around and basically post processes a lot of things as well as colouring. Mostly used for Social Media like Instagram. And then came iPhone X. They started changing the colour of Sky and sharpening a lot of things. To the point of a lot of Photos taken by my…

Its really iPhone 11 when things got crazy with deep fusion. The iPhone X actually has the most detailed screen. When i look at the same photos, somehow the X has better color and details than up iphone 14 max (i have every iphone till 14). If you look at raw image you will be blown away how little has changed since even iphone 4!

But at the end of the day its all about the photographer than the equipment. Just ask chefs. 20 students same kitchen, ingredients, recipe, 20 different tasting dish.

What really drove that in was when my art teacher took a shot of me with my camera and holy shit it was one of the best pics I've seen. He just has the eye at the end of the day.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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I got interested in photography during my travels, and my wife is very interested in it. I bought a decent camera. I really enjoyed playing with it, and spent some happy hours learning about it. I even took some decent photos (well, I liked them anyway). But in the end, carrying it became a chore and trying to take off-the-cuff photos during adventures took too long. I found that we needed to go for specific "photogr…

> the camera photos were stuck on the camera I'm surprised no camera manufacturer has created an easy way to get all your photos to Google Photos / iCloud/ Dropbox / etc. They have some wireless photo transfer things, but they're clunky and unusable. Just connect the camera to WiFi and auto-upload everything to the service of my choice. I'm guessing it's a mix of: * Camera manufacturers are hardware companies and can…

Also vendor lock-in. The camera company gets no revenue from integrating with Google/Apple, and potentially loses a source of lock-in, so why do it?

Also, the RAW format that the camera stores is huge, and pretty much unusable. You'd want to store JPGs but those are export format not that actual image. Though I guess that's an answer to the lock-in question: export jpgs to the cloud, keep the RAW images on the device.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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No they exhibited it in pure instant single copy copying mode.

Oh wtf! I had ctrl+f'd the article for cop (to catch "copy" and "copies" and such) to quickly check this but didn't see that. Then I guess I don't remember the root cause of this issue

Apparently you were right, mostly. Though it was later determined to be independent of quality setting; the vendor had claimed after the initial findings and having had a lot of time to try and internally reproduce "that factory default settings would be unaffected".

I, probably due to phrasing ambiguity in an old TheRegister article on the matter, had mistakenly remembered the temporary storage between scan and print of the copy mode to also had been affected.

As there were many situations where one would scan and destroy the original once offsite backup has run, while physical copies would/should often not entail destruction of the original, most of the overall damage/impact would be due to scanning anyways, not copying.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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I’d also just add that Fuji has some of the worst autofocus on the market right now. Going between my Fuji and Sony bodies, I realized how much I took my Sony AF for granted. If Sony would make a MF body, I’d be all in.

I immediately felt the heft after switching to FF, and that while specifically choosing lighter and smaller used primes. Do light & small primes exist for MF at all? Can you realistically casually carry an MF setup with a few lenses, or is that basically a car-only ordeal (and good luck flying commercial with it)?

The Fujifilm GF63 f/2.8 R WR (50mm effective) prime lens weighs 405 grams and takes a 62mm filter. The Nikon Z 50mm f/1.4 weighs 420 grams and takes a 62mm filter.

As far as I'm concerned, the primes aren't particularly larger or heavier for MF than they are for FF, it's more that the higher resolution and larger sensor size creates physical limits that makes everything slower on MF. No 20fps burst shots in RAW at full resolution with a Fuji GFX100 II, it's only 5fps. That lack of speed is reflected everywhere, because it's doing it on a sensor that's twice the size and twice the resolution, but otherwise it seemed like a pretty amazing camera to me. Speed for me is important though, so I stuck with a Nikon Z8.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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I just started looking at photos and videos we took on vacation. I have an iPhone 16 Pro. And when I use the Photos app on my Apple TV to review a couple videos I took, I'm surprised at the weird, wavy quality I'm seeing in them. It's really strange. I will compare this to the videos I took with my Sony a6700. But until then, I'm surprised at how odd the videos looked on a large OLED TV. Might be compression from iCl…

I've been enjoying the Kino app for capturing in Apple Log with instant colour grading. Its my new default now.

Re: iPhone 16 cameras vs. traditional digital cameras

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I immediately felt the heft after switching to FF, and that while specifically choosing lighter and smaller used primes. Do light & small primes exist for MF at all? Can you realistically casually carry an MF setup with a few lenses, or is that basically a car-only ordeal (and good luck flying commercial with it)?

The Fujifilm GF63 f/2.8 R WR (50mm effective) prime lens weighs 405 grams and takes a 62mm filter. The Nikon Z 50mm f/1.4 weighs 420 grams and takes a 62mm filter. As far as I'm concerned, the primes aren't particularly larger or heavier for MF than they are for FF, it's more that the higher resolution and larger sensor size creates physical limits that makes everything slower on MF. No 20fps burst shots in RAW at fu…

In my experience on FF 40-60mm primes are always the lightest, the smallest, and the brightest (and unfortunately for me I tend to like these focal lengths the least). For comparison, Sony’s 50mm f2.8 FE weights 235 grams and costs less than $700, and I recall seeing various manual pancake lenses that are probably lighter and much smaller.

It sounds like an MF setup with say a 28mm and a 100mm equivalent lens would require more work but possible (though maybe not enjoyable) to casually carry around.

When shooting raw stills I don’t particularly care about speed. I do enjoy shooting raw CinemaDNG video, there are reasonably priced FF bodies that support it, but if I get a camera for high-quality stills FPS wouldn’t really be a deal-breaker for my uses (I guess it might for bird watching or for sports).

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