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Sam Altman Slams Meta’s AI Talent Poaching: 'Missionaries Will Beat Mercenaries'

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Does he have the same conviction when people from other companies decide to join OpenAI?

"Apostates who turned to darkness" vs "Converts who saw the light".

There can be no peace until they renounce their Rabbit God and accept our Duck God!

https://norberthaupt.com/2015/11/22/the-rabbit-god-and-the-d...

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Could Facebook hire away OpenAI people just by matching their comp? Doubtful. Facebook is widely hated and embarrassing to work at. Facebook has to offer significantly more. And if someone at OpenAI says hey Facebook just offered me more money to jump ship, that's when OpenAI says "Sorry to hear, best of luck. Seeya!" In this scenario, you're only underpaid by staying at OpenAI if you have no sense of shame.

> Facebook is widely hated and embarrassing to work at. Not sure it's widely hated (disclaimer: I work there), despite all the bad press. The vast majority of people I meet respond with "oh how cool!" when they hear that someone works for the company that owns Instagram. "Embarassing to work at" - I can count on one hand the number of developers I've met who would refuse to work for Meta out of principle. They are th…

Within my (admittedly limited) social circle of engineers/developers there is consensus that working at Facebook is pretty taboo. I’ve personally asked recruiters to not bother.

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That means he is moaning because Meta is able to inflict sufficient pain for him to feel it. Seems Meta is pretty serious about it. Job market forces working as they should.

I think it's more that he's reinforcing the 'mission' and defining the good guys/bad guys so that he doesn't lose more employees to Meta.

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Pretty telling that OpenAI only now feels like it has to reevaluate compensation for researchers while just weeks ago it spent $6.5 billion to hire Jony Ive. Maybe he can build your superintelligence for you.

Poachers don't like poachers. We all remember the secret and illegal anti-poaching agreement between Adobe, Apple, Intel, Intuit, Google and Pixar.

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It's money. It's also a fresh, small org and a new project, which is exciting for variety of reasons.

I can't explain why but I don't think money is it. Nor a new project or whatever can't be it either. Its just too small of a value proposition when you are already in openAI making banger models used by the world.

According to reports, the comp packages were in the hundreds of millions of dollars. I doubt anyone but execs are making that kind of money at OpenAI; its the sort of money you hope from a successful exit after years of efforts. I don’t blame them for jumping ship.

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When you hear him saying it, it's funny. When you hear this reiterated by employees, who actually believe it, then it's sad. Obviously not in this situation, but I've actually heard this from people. Some of them were even pros. "There is no fool like an educated fool."

This is one of the most fascinating things I've found in the past ten or so years. When did people in general begin to buy into the bullshit spewed by big shots in corporate or really any commercial venture. People at least implicitly understood that the boss just wanted money and would fuck you, nature or his own firmly held beliefs to get it.

People are now shocked when a company cuts a loved product or their boss fires them when someone cheaper comes along.

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Another funny possibly sad coincidence is that the licenses that made open source what it is will probably be absolutely useless going forward, because as recent precedent has shown, companies can train on what they have legally gained access to. On the other hand, AGPL continues to be the future of F/OSS.

Explain how AGPL would prevent AI from being trained on it or AI-generated code competing with it. I have used AGPL for a decade and still not sure.

It wouldn't -- AGPL code that is picked up would also just get "fair used" into new software.

That said, AGPL as a trend was a huge closing of the spigot of free F/OSS code for companies to use and not contribute back to.

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Altman has to be the most transparently two-faced tech CEO there is. I don't understand why people still lap up his bullshit.

Tim Cook is right there . If I say "Vision Pro" I'll probably get downvoted out of a mere desire to not want to talk about that little excursion.

The Vision Pro flopped, but I don't see the connection to two-faced-ness. Help?

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Sam Altman is not a bit different than Mark Zuckerberg. His mission is to make money and get as much information to process about individuals, to be used for his benefit, all the rest is just blah blah.

I think half of him truly believes that his work ultimately will benefit humanity as a whole and half of him is a cynical bastard like the rest of them. Ultimately, he’ll just realize that humanity doesn’t give a fuck, and that he’s in it for himself only. And the typical butterfly-to-caterpillar transition will be complete.

Well a lot of AI bros think that AI can generate novel solutions to all of the world's problems, they just need more data and processing power. I.E. the AI God (all knowing), which when you take a step back is utter lunacy. How can LLM's generate solutions to climate change if it's a predictive model.

All of this to say, they delude themselves that the future of humanity needs "AI" or we are doomed. Ironically, the creation and expansion of LLM's drastically increased the power usage of humanity to its own detriment.

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