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The $25k car is going extinct?

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Post by raxxorraxor »

lm28469 wrote: post #474
raxxorraxor wrote: post #327

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I get that they dump loans and the government allows for subsidies. But on the other hand car manufacturers already outsourced everything they could to other countries for larger profit margins anyway. They act no different than companies like Apple or Google. So at least as a customer I need to profit from that too, I have no interest of paying large margins for nothing. Why should only companies profit from cheap l…

The problem is that on the long run you lose the knowledge to produce physical goods locally, all it takes is a few years and once it's gone it's extremely hard to build it back. The other problem is that if there is a war, a pandemic or anything impacting production and/or deliveries your country is now alone. If 80% of your economy is based on tourism and other services but what you now need are cars, masks or weap…

I wouldn't advocate outsourcing labor to cheaper countries. That this is how it ends was predictable for the automotive industry, so I don't really feel sympathy if they cry now.

As a consumer I just want to have the cheap prices now too because outsourcing is a fait acompli.

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Post by doubled112 »

BanterTrouble wrote: post #382

I work on my own cars now (as a hobby really) and one of the reasons the new cars are so expensive is they are much more complicated. A lot of this seems to be over-engineering IMO. This is alluded to in the article, but not explicitly stated. The cars I work on are from the early 90s and everything is very simple to understand. e.g. Electronics are normally simple circuits that aren't much more complicated than what…

I was shocked that we started replacing glow plugs one at a time.

I drove a 2002 diesel Jetta for a few years. $80 for all four glow plugs. It’s a no brainer to do them all. This was probably ~2015, it was old when it was written off.

This year, the cheapest I could find one (yes, just one) for my 2013 was $135 online. Cheaper online than a mechanic friend of mine could get it through any of his sources.

There is a compression sensor in there now adding cost, apparently.

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Post by potato3732842 »

CalRobert wrote: post #483
potato3732842 wrote: post #456

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I'll be sure to let my elderly mother know she's making society worse by going with the HRV instead of the Civic. In a world where ~half of all SUVs are some poof-ed up variant of a compact car a nuance free opinion like yours is just insufferable.

Yet you suffer it. And yes, your mother is more likely to kill someone in a larger, heavier, vehicle. I don’t see how anything you said refutes that.

It's not like she bought a 4Runner or Suburban. She bought a Honda compact car that's been stretched on the vertical access.

We all spend the 2000s listening to the "they're less safe because they roll over more" screeching broken record and while statistically that was true to an extent nothing really came of it, everyone decided that yeah they do but they like the tradeoff. You just sound like a 2020s cover of that. Why ought I to take your hand wringing seriously?

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Post by CalRobert »

potato3732842 wrote: post #513
CalRobert wrote: post #483

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Yet you suffer it. And yes, your mother is more likely to kill someone in a larger, heavier, vehicle. I don’t see how anything you said refutes that.

It's not like she bought a 4Runner or Suburban. She bought a Honda compact car that's been stretched on the vertical access. We all spend the 2000s listening to the "they're less safe because they roll over more" screeching broken record and while statistically that was true to an extent nothing really came of it, everyone decided that yeah they do but they like the tradeoff. You just sound like a 2020s cover of that…

Because I’m expressing myself politely and clearly without resorting to childish attacks?

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Post by the__alchemist »

amelius wrote: post #368
rmnwski wrote: post #295

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Also, the more SUVs are driven, the less safe people feel (and arguably are), accelerating the need to buy an SUV for safety reasons.

On the other hand, if you kill someone in a traffic accident, you feel shit the rest of your life.

You are making assumptions about empathy levels in other people, using your own as a basis. On a meta level, this isn't surprising!

I suspect there is a correlation between people who choose big cars, and empathy levels below yours.

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Post by selimthegrim »

cpursley wrote: post #438
Amezarak wrote: post #383

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Mississippi, like all US states, has free K12 education. It also offers free college education at public universities to anyone who scores well on college admittance tests. (In many countries, people can't access college at all if they didn't perform academically.) About 25% of Mississippians are on free government healthcare (Medicaid/CHIP). About 21% are on very-cheap government healthcare (Medicare.) Additionally,…

HN folks get their kicks from insulting the southern US states. I blame stereotypes perpetuated by Hollywood.

Some of us even live there.

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Post by mrbigbob »

a_c wrote: post #431
BanterTrouble wrote: post #382

I work on my own cars now (as a hobby really) and one of the reasons the new cars are so expensive is they are much more complicated. A lot of this seems to be over-engineering IMO. This is alluded to in the article, but not explicitly stated. The cars I work on are from the early 90s and everything is very simple to understand. e.g. Electronics are normally simple circuits that aren't much more complicated than what…

Any recommendation how to start learning repairing a car? I have absolutely zero experience. A friend of mine said just learn to change a tyre first and I have been procrastinating since.

Look at your local community colleges if you are in the US. a lot of them have classes for simple every day car repair to classes to become a certified mechanic

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Post by selimthegrim »

tacticalturtle wrote: post #156
darth_avocado wrote: post #113

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Cars are a necessity in pretty much most of the country. Even in areas with good public transit, people who are most likely to go into debt to buy a car are also more likely to live further away from public transit and commute for work. Outside of New York, I can’t think of another city where living without a car is really an option.

Boston. DC. Chicago. I’ve heard Philly and SF as well, but have never been.

New Orleans.
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