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Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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I am still waiting for Fairphone and Graphene OS collaboration. This is match made in heaven. Any Fairphone/GrapheneOS developer reading this? Just do it, document if something is not secure enough for you, but do it. Nothing to think about, you fit together like hand and a glove and any seconds thoughts are depriving the planet of THE PHONE! Pick the cash we will throw at you and make second generation with the cpu…

I recently suggested that GrapheneOS support devices with average security on Mastodon. Much like yourself, I think "moderately okay security" is better than "just use Google's spyware infested OS". The GrapheneOS folks replied in disagreement, insisting that this is a terrible idea because security would be less than perfect. They then started making up stories about me and throwing around unfounded accusations. I d…

I'm the community manager for GrapheneOS. That isn't what happened, and it is very weird to not only see that on Mastodon, but also that you're going around saying it in other places, too.

People involved with the project you're working on have a history of making attacks on GrapheneOS, but what I mostly want to focus on is your suggestion because my goal here isn't to get in a back-and-forth with you or convince you, but rather provide context for others reading this.

Our hardware requirements are not arbitrary. They are what we need in order to be able to provide usable security to people who depend on it. There's no "average security" for devices that are missing patches for known vulnerabilities for months. That's a non-starter, not something imperfect that an OEM can work on improving. Multiple OEMs have reached out to us and actually want to do the work of improving their devices so that we can use them to provide security for people. It's very weird for people to be fixated on this idea that GrapheneOS should instead be supporting devices which can't actually provide what the OS is known for.

Without a secure element, a 6 digit PIN is no longer secure and can be bruteforced. What average person is using a long diceware passphrase to unlock their phone? Our device requirements are reasonable, and can be found at https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices. Every time people ask us to support another device, we have to point to that explain that we cannot, because to date, no other devices meet them, and those who do purposefully go out of their way to cripple third-party OS support (Samsung chief among them). Then, we ask people which of our requirements we should drop in order to support that other device, and why people think that requirement is unreasonable. To date, we have received no convincing reply to that.

You think we're chasing "perfection" but Pixels are just the best that exists right now and is extremely far from perfect. Our requirements aren't a wishlist, they're based on what is possible and reasonable today, not in the future.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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I recently suggested that GrapheneOS support devices with average security on Mastodon. Much like yourself, I think "moderately okay security" is better than "just use Google's spyware infested OS". The GrapheneOS folks replied in disagreement, insisting that this is a terrible idea because security would be less than perfect. They then started making up stories about me and throwing around unfounded accusations. I d…

> They then started making up stories about me and throwing around unfounded accusations. That sounds oddly similar with Louis Rossmann's video when in disagreement with some (the?) project owner. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0

Hi there, I'm the community manager for the GrapheneOS project. To you, and perhaps others seeing your comment, I would just like to ask that if people are going to watch the video, they should watch it in context, and also read the material that Louis is linking to in the video description, as I'm getting the sense that he's relying on people to not read them.

Our perspective is that Louis was upset with Daniel because we wouldn't do content with him, which resulted in a lot of jabs in his videos preceding that one, along with him expressing support for a video and a creator who has created what is essentially a hitpiece video on the project and its founder.

The main context that seems to be missing is that a supporter of the creator of that hitpiece was raiding our community rooms not longer before Louis' video happened, which culminated in the GrapheneOS founder being swatted by that person 3 times in the span of a few days. Louis Rossmann expressing support (with his large following) for that creator lends credence to their claims and leads more people to attack us. That should hopefully explain why Daniel was upset at Louis (in private, which Louis decided to livestream and leak). If Louis really thinks Daniel is some mentally ill person, is broadcasting him like that really the compassionate thing to do? Even in his version of events, this seems cruel.

Louis is a kiwifarms user, a website dedicated to harassing people (including Daniel). Daniel's thread what started by a self-admitted fan of Louis, shortly after his video, so it has directly led to a bunch more hatred. You can find all of that out yourself.

So for you, and those reading this comment after the fact, I'd encourage you to do your own research, and also to not take what a YouTuber says at face value just because they said it.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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Need a driver? I think there are a few USB standards for IPv4/IPv6 bridges (CDC and more), namely, it should not require a specific driver.

No. It's just PPP over USB CDC. In theory you could even use it with the FreeDOS USB drivers and Windows 3.11's network drivers if you were willing to write the appropriate modem script.

I wonder if the 4G/5G PPP commands are well "standard". For instance, network scan, network selection, mode selection 4G/5G/auto, SMS, pin, etc. Or you have to pass some custom AT commands via PPP.

Is everything documented and public for this modem?

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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The Fairphone 4 at least you could replace the battery without any screws at all. It took seconds and it's been extremely useful for me.

On the flip side, the battery of my Fairphone 3 had a tendency to disconnect when it was shaken too strongly for its taste, rebooting the phone… So I'd consider screws to be an improvement actually.

haven't had this problem with fp3+ even when it drops on the floor

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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No. It's just PPP over USB CDC. In theory you could even use it with the FreeDOS USB drivers and Windows 3.11's network drivers if you were willing to write the appropriate modem script.

I wonder if the 4G/5G PPP commands are well "standard". For instance, network scan, network selection, mode selection 4G/5G/auto, SMS, pin, etc. Or you have to pass some custom AT commands via PPP. Is everything documented and public for this modem?

>Is everything documented and public for this modem?

LMAO I've found typos in the manufacturers documentation. It's actually terrible. It's one of those situations where so many people use it though you can usually find what you need on a wiki.

>I wonder if the 4G/5G PPP commands are well "standard".

Absolutely not but modem manager and network manager is pretty good at figuring a lot of it out these days.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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The fingerprint reader is one of the things I most love about my iPhone SE; I don’t see any reason to get a new phone. Apple’s declining software quality and walled garden incline me more and more towards ditching iPhone for GrapheneOS or a dumb phone like the Punkt MP; I find far more joy reading on an eReader, taking photos with a camera, or taking notes in my notebook than I do using the phone for any of those. Es…

Devices like the Punkt MP would great in an ideal world (if they had support for something like XMPP). But in practice, a huge amount of people use Telegram, or WeChat or some other network for which you need a native phone app.

In practice, that's me as well; while here in the US texting is big, in years abroad I don't think I had a single conversation via SMS - everything was in apps.

That makes phones like the Punkt an ideal more than something practical. But I still want one. It appeals to the minimalist in me, big time.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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> If they can be used like that, why couldn't they be used... as phones? To facilitate planned obsolescence, manufacturers stop providing OS updates after a relatively short time. And then they cease providing security patches after a... still relatively short time. If you unlock the device and install a custom ROM, which may or may not function adequately for you to begin with, then you're probably also compromising…

Why couldn’t manufacturers proclaiming to espouse longevity, such as Fairphone, release the vendor source code for out-of-support hardware which are supposedly no longer relevant and so doesn’t matter if the competition can see the code? Or is it an issue of signing certificates?

Contracts with vendors, usually. Vendors who make not much of their profit from Fairphone and would happily cut them off if they wanted terms like that.

There's a reason Pine64's devices (which are made out of parts with available public datasheets as much as possible - they don't do the software side of things) are mostly made with parts from a few generations ago, whose manufacturer doesn't care much any more.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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I wonder if the 4G/5G PPP commands are well "standard". For instance, network scan, network selection, mode selection 4G/5G/auto, SMS, pin, etc. Or you have to pass some custom AT commands via PPP. Is everything documented and public for this modem?

>Is everything documented and public for this modem? LMAO I've found typos in the manufacturers documentation. It's actually terrible. It's one of those situations where so many people use it though you can usually find what you need on a wiki. >I wonder if the 4G/5G PPP commands are well "standard". Absolutely not but modem manager and network manager is pretty good at figuring a lot of it out these days.

2025, clean and complete hardware programming manual still an issue, even on medium complexity hardware.

Sad.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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post #7

They mention the Pixel and I just got to say, I wish someone would bring back the fingerprint reader on the back of the phone. That was seriously the best solution. Fastest way to unlock your phone, because no matter how slow the fingerprint reader is you activate it while pulling it out of your pocket. I honestly don't get why people like Face ID more (what I currently use). Someone, please bring this back

A big issue with fingerprint-only devices is water. If your finger, the reader or both are sufficiently wet, most readers just don't work. Most touchscreens also don't work too well in those conditions - certainly not well enough to enter a secure alphanumeric unlock code - but enough to pull up a map.

I've had my old iPhone 7+ turn into a charged brick multiple times in the rain. Never happened with the faceID phones.

Re: Fairphone 6 is switching to a new design that's even more sustainable

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...what?

There is no alternative.

I don't think there are fully non-chinese alternatives, but there absolutely are other phones that are not fully manufactured in china. Hell, even some iPhones aren't entirely made in china.
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