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Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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dralley wrote: post #499
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #448

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Regardless of other borders, Israel would retreat back to its 1967 borders. That is what they are saying.

They won't. The 1967 borders were broken by a war Israel did not start, but still won anyway. And Palestinians have refused any agreement on where the border should reside since then, which resulted in the current limbo situation. From Israel's perspective, if people wanted to keep the 1967 borders, they shouldn't have tried to invade (again) in 1973. Why would they go back to the terms of an agreement that was alrea…

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Post by grafmax »

bawolff wrote: post #508
grafmax wrote: post #485

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International news organizations reporting on this conflict incorporate accounts of residents and human rights organizations. It’s simply not true that the Iranian and Israeli governments are our only source of facts on this matter, or that the reports of attacks on residential areas are the result of “fog of war”.

Would they necessarily know either? There is a lot of confusion during war, especially during the opening stages. And to be clear, im not saying this because its iran. I also would be cautious of e.g. initial reports during ukraine vs russia. It simply takes time for people to pick up the pieces and figure out what actually happened.

There are numerous reports from a variety of credible sources of attacks on residential targets. Your argument, as far as I can tell, is a vague armchair hunch.

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Post by g8oz »

warbaker wrote: post #487
grafmax wrote: post #423

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The idea that Israel is trying to help the Iranian people is a falsehood. Israel is bombing residential neighborhoods. This is cynicism on the part of the Israeli government, something we should be well aware of now as they are completing the final stages of the genocide in Gaza.

Israel wants nothing more than for Iran to be free of the IRGC. Unlike Israel's Arab neighbors, Iran didn't attempt to destroy Israel (and kill all the Jews) in 1948. Before the IRGC took over, Iran and Israel had no problems. The IRGC has made it clear that destroying Israel is one of their primary foreign policy objectives. They have said this, and it's why they funded Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis.

What Israel wants is a free hand in the region and to expel or exterminate Palestinians. How many civilians in Gaza were killed in the last week? The victim card is getting real old.

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Post by halJordan »

perihelions wrote: post #100
Saris wrote: post #9

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If you read around their points, it sounds like they track general location, log group messages, and provide specific information on request to a government.

Meta can also just lie about it. If they were secretly granting backdoor root access to some NSA spooks, like Microsoft did with PRISM or AT&T did with 641A, most likely no one would find out, so, there'd be zero actual downside to simply lying.

Except we dont live in a stasi regime. What the nsa/fbi/cia can get a subpoena for from the courts is well documented in law. So there is no question that meta does provide individual messages. You guys have got to quit living in this fantasy land of big bad g-men just because you like feeling the flutter in your stomach

Re: Iran asks its people to delete WhatsApp from their devices

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Post by tguvot »

tguvot wrote: post #396
themgt wrote: post #366

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Actually they're already "joking" on Israeli TV that Turkey is next, and AEI is on the case making it clear we may need to go to war to take out Turkey next. https://x.com/clashreport/status/1935078004230865094 https://www.aei.org/op-eds/israel-iran-war-dry-run-for-a-fut...

you going to omit that erdogan been threatening israel first ?

narrator yes, he will omit that president threatens another country but will make a big deal out of host on tv show

Turkey's president has vowed to "liberate Al-Aqsa mosque" from Israel https://www.newarab.com/news/hagia-sophia-resurrection-paves...

Turkish President Erdogan did not hesitate to issue a rare threat to Israel in a party rally, speaking on the ongoing war in Gaza: 'Perhaps we will invade just like we entered Karabakh and Libya' https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/levant-turkey/art...

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Post by warbaker »

grafmax wrote: post #496
warbaker wrote: post #495

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"Israel's defense minister warned Saturday that "Tehran will burn" if Iran continues firing missiles at Israel." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/iran-israel-retaliatory-strikes... Don't get me wrong, Katz is a douchebag, but this was specifically a threat to retaliate in-kind of Iran continued to target arbitrary Israeli population centers. I haven't seen any evidence of Israel targeting civilians (nuclear scientists as…

> Not only would it be a horrible thing to do and of no military value, they simply don't blame the people of Iran for the IRGC's actions. So then it’s remarkable that it’s nevertheless occurring. I posted this elsewhere ITT but the parent comment is now flagged so it may be difficult to find. I post it below. > Shock, fear in Tehran after Israel bombs residential, military areas https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6…

"without distinguishing between military officials and civilians"

Israel has air supremacy over Tehran. The facts don't support your narrative that Israel is flattening Tehran.

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Post by runarberg »

tguvot wrote: post #515
tguvot wrote: post #396

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you going to omit that erdogan been threatening israel first ?

narrator yes, he will omit that president threatens another country but will make a big deal out of host on tv show Turkey's president has vowed to "liberate Al-Aqsa mosque" from Israel https://www.newarab.com/news/hagia-sophia-resurrection-paves... Turkish President Erdogan did not hesitate to issue a rare threat to Israel in a party rally, speaking on the ongoing war in Gaza: 'Perhaps we will invade just like we en…

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Post by tguvot »

runarberg wrote: post #517
tguvot wrote: post #515

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narrator yes, he will omit that president threatens another country but will make a big deal out of host on tv show Turkey's president has vowed to "liberate Al-Aqsa mosque" from Israel https://www.newarab.com/news/hagia-sophia-resurrection-paves... Turkish President Erdogan did not hesitate to issue a rare threat to Israel in a party rally, speaking on the ongoing war in Gaza: 'Perhaps we will invade just like we en…

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Post by noworriesnate »

tguvot wrote: post #515
tguvot wrote: post #396

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you going to omit that erdogan been threatening israel first ?

narrator yes, he will omit that president threatens another country but will make a big deal out of host on tv show Turkey's president has vowed to "liberate Al-Aqsa mosque" from Israel https://www.newarab.com/news/hagia-sophia-resurrection-paves... Turkish President Erdogan did not hesitate to issue a rare threat to Israel in a party rally, speaking on the ongoing war in Gaza: 'Perhaps we will invade just like we en…

Israel is stooping to Ergodan’s level, sure. But the standard should higher for Democratic countries, nuclear powers, and countries who receive enormous foreign aid from the US for “self defense.”

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Post by mousethatroared »

ngruhn wrote: post #510
mousethatroared wrote: post #431

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I thought I implied that I don't care.

Right. You just wanna see Israel burn either way.

I doubt it, Israel has 300 nukes.

But, to be honest, I am grateful that intercepting missiles and drones is giving IDF pilots something to do other than bombing Gazans.

Just sayin'

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