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Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by patrec »

philjohn wrote: post #401
mlissner wrote: post #87

Maine's remote work program is an incredibly promising development to prevent recidivism. The amazing thing about it is that it gives real jobs to prisoners that they can seamlessly continue after they get out of prison. Normally when you get out, it's impossible to get a job, and the clock is ticking. This leads to desperation, which leads to bad behavior. There is a real risk of exploitation, but if it's properly m…

Yep - turns out the Nordic countries had it right all along. When you focus on rehabilitation and not just punishment you get lower redicivism rates. Who would have thought it?

Nordic countries have essentially exactly the same 1/3 two year recidivism rate as the US, the one exception being Norway at 1/5, and mostly not for rehabilitation policy reasons.

https://inquisitivebird.xyz/p/the-myth-of-the-nordic-rehabil...

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by ycombinatrix »

ironmagma wrote: post #471
msgodel wrote: post #127

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If you're not dating anyway and don't own your house outright prison with computer access honestly doesn't sound bad at all. No need to worry about rent, no need to worry about healthcare, no need deal with all this social crap.

Not rent, just crippling debt: https://apnews.com/article/crime-prisons-lawsuits-connecticu...

that is horrifying. i really wish i hadn't read that. we live in a cruel world.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by greglansky »

sneak wrote: post #484
greglansky wrote: post #477

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Court docs: https://www.courts.nh.gov/sites/g/files/ehbemt471/files/docu...

This is an PDF of a bad court decision about an illegal search; he was not convicted of harming anyone. It contains no evidence of him harming anyone.

If police can determine there is probable cause they can immediately search without a warrant. It contains strong evidence of him committing harm directly to his gf at the time. It does not contain a legal decision or conviction, but that's not a lack of evidence - the report's existence itself is by definition evidence.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by presentation »

koolba wrote: post #436
gabeio wrote: post #404

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> When you focus on rehabilitation and not just punishment From a book I recently read on the subject they seem not just to focus on rehab and lack of punishment. If there are disputes with others within the facilities the ones in the dispute must sit down and talk through their issues and find a resolution. This helps ingrain proper anger management & helps re-acclimate them to normal society where violence is rarel…

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I don't have evidence to say that it is irrelevant, but people love using homogeneity as a cope for being unwilling to try things to improve the status quo. Hate this argument.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

exoverito wrote: post #491
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #441

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There's no such thing as a "homogeneous population". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realistic_conflict_theory#Robb... > From the study, they determined that because the groups were created to be approximately equal, individual differences are not necessary or responsible for intergroup conflict to occur. > Lutfy Diab repeated the experiment with 18 boys from Beirut. The 'Blue Ghost' and 'Red Genies' groups each contai…

Continuum fallacy. Might as well claim that there's no such thing as blue or violet, since there's a gradient between them. Also you can establish homogeneity using genetic analysis such as the fixation index. Unsurprisingly, Swedes and Finns are extremely closely related. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index#Autosomal_genet... There are many possible metrics to measure heterogeneity, such as linguistic and r…

… No, it's not the continuum fallacy: I'm saying that "the fixation index", and other such metrics, are irrelevant, except as far as people are racist. The sociological theory of "homogeneous population" is false, to the extent it was ever even meaningful.

More broadly, scientific racism is bunk. (This is a generalisation: I didn't establish it in my previous comment, but it's true nonetheless.)

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by GardenLetter27 »

philjohn wrote: post #401
mlissner wrote: post #87

Maine's remote work program is an incredibly promising development to prevent recidivism. The amazing thing about it is that it gives real jobs to prisoners that they can seamlessly continue after they get out of prison. Normally when you get out, it's impossible to get a job, and the clock is ticking. This leads to desperation, which leads to bad behavior. There is a real risk of exploitation, but if it's properly m…

Yep - turns out the Nordic countries had it right all along. When you focus on rehabilitation and not just punishment you get lower redicivism rates. Who would have thought it?

It depends on the crime IMO.

I live in Sweden and now the gangs are recruiting children because they don't get sentenced even for murder (maybe 2 years max).

The other side of prison is keeping the public safe - you also have zero recidivism with the Bukele approach.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

presentation wrote: post #514
koolba wrote: post #436

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I don't have evidence to say that it is irrelevant, but people love using homogeneity as a cope for being unwilling to try things to improve the status quo. Hate this argument.

I've mostly seem them use it as an excuse to try to make ethnostates.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by bargainbin »

studentik wrote: post #137

In Soviet Union having prisoners do soft labor was called Sharashka. This scales and creates incentives to have more prisoners doing cheap labor.

The key delineation here is the work is voluntary. I was uneasy reading the article and weighing it up, realised that the author could choose not to work whilst he serves time.

If he was being coerced into labour however, which the for-profit prison undoubtedly makes profit from, it’s simply unacceptable; indentured servitude, slavery, call it what you will, it’s bad for society in every way because it allows the ruling class to steal labour from the working class under the guise of “rehabilitation”.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by lurk2 »

stickfigure wrote: post #267
zaphar wrote: post #256

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I don't know. If you are in posession of enough of a controlled substance to kill 300 people I'm kind of okay with a drastic response. For every Preston Thorpe who turns their life around there 100s of others who will just go out and keep endangering lives like this. I think this is a nuanced topic and 10-30 years is too much for drug possession is entirely lacking the necessary nuance to evaluate. Comparison to othe…

"enough of a controlled substance to kill" is an absurd, inflammatory metric. They guy was selling a good to willing and aware buyers and we have no reason to believe he was trying to kill anyone. He shouldn't be in prison, period.

> we have no reason to believe he was trying to kill anyone.

If someone gave a loaded hand gun to a small child, there might not be any reason to believe that this person was trying to kill the small child, but when the child inevitably shoots himself or someone else, the one who gave the child the gun in the first place shares at least some of the blame.

You may protest that children are not comparable to adult drug addicts; to this, I’d suggest taking a walk through any major metro area in America and deciding for yourself if “willing and aware” are appropriate words to describe these addicts.

Re: Working on databases from prison

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Post by lurk2 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #469
Aurornis wrote: post #299

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> They guy was selling a good to willing and aware buyers In general, high-potency opioids are cut (diluted) with other powders and then sold as a different product to unsuspecting buyers. Most fentanyl overdoses are from people who thought they were consuming a different, more familiar opioid. Fentanyl and other synthetic opioids like this one are preferred by drug dealers because it's much easier to smuggle a tiny…

They're sold as some other known opiod and the dealers typically try to dose them to be equivalent because that's all they're getting paid for. There is no incentive to give out "free drugs", not least because you might kill an otherwise paying customer.

> There is no incentive to give out "free drugs", not least because you might kill an otherwise paying customer.

I take it you’ve never seen Runaway Jury?

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