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> Adobe is the one major company trying to be ethical with its AI training data and no one seems to even care. It's because nobody actually wants that. Artists don't like AI image generators because they have to compete with them, not because of how they were trained. How they were trained is just the the most plausible claim they can make against them if they want to sue OpenAI et al over it, or to make a moral argu…

I don't think all artists are treating this tool as such an existential threat.

Of course not. People who are actually creative will use new tools creatively.

Adobe AI tools are pretty shit though if you want to use them to do something creative. Shockingly bad really.

They are probably good if you want to add a few elements to an instagram photo but terrible for actual digital art.

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The best? I tried the Photoshop AI features to clean up a old photo for the first time this week and it crashed every time. After a bunch of searching I found a post identifying problem - it always crashes if there are two or more faces in the photo. Guess someone forgot to test on the more than one person edge case.

I know 5 AI image-gen apps that are better than photoshop and cost around $10-20/month. For example, ideogram. Photoshop doesn't even come close.

Thanks. I will check this out. I was shocked how terrible the output of Photoshop AI tools are. Not even midjourney 4 level.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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I've never seen anyone make the complaint about image classifiers or image segmentation. It's only for generative models and only once they got good enough to be useful.

I'm not entirely convinced by the artists' argument, but this argument is also unconvincing to me. If someone steals from you, but it's a negligible amount, or you don't even notice it, does that make it not stealing? If the thief then starts selling the things they stole from you, directly competing with you, are your grievances less valid now since you didn't complain about the theft before?

Nothing was stolen from the artists but instead used without their permission. The thing being used is an idea, not anything the artist loses access to when someone else has it. What is there to complain about? Why should others listen to the complaints (disregarding copyright law because that is circular reasoning)?

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That's exactly why it should be illegal: so people don't have to agree to an abusive and money thirsty contract.

They have the option right next to that for a monthly only option.

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Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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As a lurker on both Bluesky and Twitter, I find Bluesky is a much more hostile place. Twitter is much more absurd but there is not as much anger.

I'm pretty left leaning and I don't like Bluesky. For me, it's too hostile and too much of an angry echo chamber. X is scattered wildly but I with muting I have been able to shape to get a more reasonable feed.

X is a cesspit. Bluesky is a cult and echo chamber. Both should be avoided if you care about your mental sanity.

Social media was a catastrophic mistake.

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Since when did a damn website have to be a "platform"? Did anyone ask to chat with Time Warner on the public AOL chatrooms of the 90s? Were Digg users interested in hearing from Blockbuster in the 2000s? Adobe could try to offer virtual "office hours" with employees helping people learn to use the software, give something back to their users. Instead they immediately treated it like another marketing channel with a f…

Platforms which drive away normal users with unwarranted hate become increasingly concentrated with toxic people over time. If bluesky don’t find a way to escape this spiral of driving away normal people and attracting toxic people it’s going to become a sort of left-wing 4chan.

I don't think it possible with the the twitter/bluesky UI to not become dominated by grandstanding, attention starved, narcissists.

The same way a photo sharing app is going to become dominated by attention starved, narcissists posting sexy photos.

Normal users just don't have the same motivation to post.

It is like complaining rotting meat is attracting flies.

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Right, but "distaste" isn't grounds for trying to ban something. There are all kinds of things people and companies do which I dislike but for which there's no just basis for regulating. If Adobe properly licenses all their training data artists don't have a right to say "well i think this is bad for creativity and puts my job at risk, ban it!!!" Or more precisely, they have a right to say that, but no moral justific…

> Right, but "distaste" isn't grounds for trying to ban something. It isn't, but it doesn't stop people from trying and hoping for a miracle. That's pretty much all there is to the arguments of image models, as well as LLMs , being trained in violation of copyright - it's distaste and greed[0], with a slice of basic legalese on top to confuse people into believing the law says what it doesn't (at least yet) on top. >…

> The entire legal edifice around recognizing and protecting intellectual property is an entirely artificial construct

The presence of “natural” vs. “artificial” argument is a placeholder for nonexistent substantiation. There is never a case when it does anything else but add a disguise of objectivity to some wild opinion.

Artificial as opposed to what? Do you consider what humans do is “unnatural” because humans are somehow not part of nature?

If some humans (in case of big tech abusing copyright, vast majority, once the realization reaches the masses) want something and other humans don’t, what exactly makes one natural and another unnatural other than your own belonging to one group or the other?

> that goes against the nature of information and knowledge

What is that nature of information and knowledge that you speak about?

> forcing information to behave like physical goods, so it's not unfair to the creators in an economy that's built around trading physical goods

Its point has been to encourage innovation, creativity, and open information sharing—exactly those things that gave us ML and LLMs. We would have none of these in that rosy land of IP communism where no idea or original work belongs to its author that you envision.

Recognition of intellectual ownership of original work (coming in many shapes, including control over how it is distributed, ability to monetize it, and just being able to say you have done it) is the primary incentive for people to do truly original work. You know, the work that gave us GNU Linux et al., true innovation that tends to come when people are not giving their work to their employer in return for paycheck.

> IP laws were built on moral arguments, so it's only fair to change them on moral grounds too.

That is, perhaps, the exact point of people who argue that copyright law should be changed or at least clarified as new technology appears.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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Unless you want to follow Adobe, who were just driven out by a mob of angry people

Our deepest condolences. Losing a marketing bullhorn is always difficult.

Being intolerant of soulless rent-seeking corporations doesn’t turn you into a cool person. It just shows you are intolerant.

There must be a name for the phenomenon when a minority escapes persecution and hate, and upon reaching their promised land become intolerant and hateful of any outside group.

Re: Adobe deletes Bluesky posts after backlash

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They have the option right next to that for a monthly only option.

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Nope.

I just think it’s insane to attack a company for something they’re not doing, with the implication they are still doing it.

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