Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

arstechnica.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

511–517 of 517 posts

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

#511

Post by brigandish »

frm88 wrote: post #491
brigandish wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name one?

Wong Kim Ark. Granted, that's old. 1898. Still, the current administration's renewed call to revoke birthright citizenship was via executive order, promptly blocked by courts. Currently the case seems to rest with the Supreme Court. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c7vdnlmgyndo

Very interesting[0]. However, he's not under threat;) so I'm still waiting (and will keep waiting, according to the person I originally asked).

I wonder what the strategy is, given that (in my view) it's unlikely the Supreme Court will agree with the Trump admin. Is it performative or will they use it to pressure legislators, and how do they see a route to winning there?

Still, the Wiki does show that it's certainly arguable, so we'll see.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

#512

Post by thewileyone »

_lvbh wrote: post #354
mattmaroon wrote: post #297

"No one knows why..." "Xiaofeng Wang" I have an idea.

Jumping to conclusions with just a name is crazy. Everyone from Southeast Asia with Chinese-sounding names should really change them asap

Hi I'm Steve Austin from Dallas, are you interested in an extended warranty for your Tesla?

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

#513

Post by _DeadFred_ »

telotortium wrote: post #496
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #493

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read my comment? They were driving illegally, not an illegal driver. Practicing medicine illegally, not an illegal doctor. Working illegally, not an illegal worker. See how the language of it works? They are in the US illegally, they are not an illegal person.

I don’t think these tendentious language games are winning as much support for your position as you think. Do you object to calling people felons, instead of saying they are people convicted of a felony? I know the idea is that by not calling someone a felon, you imply that some negative characteristic doesn’t define a person. But it’s been extended from diseases and mental illnesses, where the logic does make some s…

I don't give a crap about support of positions. A person can't be 'illegal'. They can be violating the law, but they are not illegal, unless we go back to Japanese internment camp style thinking, where the person themselves is the thing requiring incarceration.

Back when I was a libertarian they were pretty big on this argument, not progressives, as libertarians were the open borders people and progressives were off on some other cause.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

#514

Post by brigandish »

leptons wrote: post #508
brigandish wrote: post #502

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Argumentum ad populum, especially on contentious political matters, isn't persuasive. Nor on people who seek to avoid answering simple questions - you could've written "I cannot", or "I never claimed that a natural born citizen had been deported - I only claimed that this administration seeks to remove that barrier" and saved yourself the gnashing of teeth and personal insults. HN needs to add a green ink font.

Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension.

My reading comprehension is enough to see an argument destitute of substance.

For there to be a threat there should be evidence of a threat. Your aspersions, which you are so keen on casting against anyone who doesn't share your views, are not evidence of anything but hyperbole and irrational panic.

If you cannot name a single person who is a natural born citizen that has been deported or has been threatened with deportation - or even anyone in power who has mused for a second upon deporting natural born citizens, via this legal change - then you have nothing.

If someone can show that the legal change you're warning about does not have the consequences you claim, e.g. all of Europe, then you have nothing.

You should get used to answering questions, it'll help you sharpen up your argument, that's why I ask simple questions[1]. Now, *please desist from your blatant and explicit rudeness*.

[1] https://www.britannica.com/topic/Socratic-method

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

#515

Post by ltbarcly3 »

ItDoBeWimdyTho wrote: post #446
ltbarcly3 wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> How can you be confident in this? Is it possible that you are saying this because the only cases we know about... This is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance and is also asking someone else to prove nonexistence of a situation. Both of these are inappropriate in a good faith discussion and I believe it would benefit you to consider how you reason about these situations if you want to come to well…

1) The current president has explicitly said that he wants to use violent force to enact his policies. 2) There are numerous cases of the current administration using its discretionary powers to enact its desired policies in ways that violate norms and are quite probably illegal. 3) The administration actively circumventing record-keeping requirements, likely in an attempt to avoid detection of illegal actions. The f…

I agree with everything you said here. Nothing you said disagrees with what I said. There's a fundamental difference from what you are saying, that there is a high risk, there's strong reasons to be concerned, and we need to stay on top of things and what OP said, which is that the government IS disappearing people, and the lack of evidence is actually evidence in favor of this. It's a ludicrous statement that if accepted undermines any attempt to know reality with any level of certainty. It is a fundamentally unhinged way of collecting information about the world.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

#516

Post by hmcq6 »

lupusreal wrote: post #486
hmcq6 wrote: post #475

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You clearly didn't read this Wiki (Wiki is not a source BTW) because it says basically the opposite of what you're implying. Same goes for everyone in this thread talking about Chinese police on foreign soil. The "CCP Police on foreign soil" aren't extracting people from the West so they can avoid persecution from the West. They're pressuring Chinese citizens to go back to China to face punishment for crimes China th…

You added the part about exfiltration from the country. It is possible he has been kidnapped by Chinese secret police in the country and remains in the country (at least until they manage to coerce him to return "willingly".) Anyway, nobody said anything about witness protection either, that part was your hallucination too. By the way, before you get yourself all worked up, I think the much more likely possibility is…

The witness protection thing was a joke to make it clear how absurd what you're proposing is. Clearly some people got the joke.

Y'all read "CCP Police stations" and your imaginations started going wild. There is no evidence nor is there even an accusation that these "police" stations are used to kidnap US citizens.

> You added the part about exfiltration

.... bro how are they going to coerce someone to leave the country "willingly" if the FBI is looking for that person? His passport is obviously going to get flagged.

And if your answer is "get him a fake passport" then congratulations, you just described exfiltration.

Re: FBI raids home of prominent computer scientist who has gone incommunicado

#517

Post by trod1234 »

CodeWriter23 wrote: post #495
trod1234 wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no published facts aside from this guys missing, so there can be no adequate accounting of the facts. You've misused Occam's Razor.

There's plenty of other public information. The FBI was searching his house for undisclosed reasons, so most definitely they have some kind of investigation open on him. And his degrees were issued by universities in Nanjing and Shanghai, China, strongly suggesting he is a Chinese National, perhaps naturalized to the United States. That was known at the time of my post. We now also know now at the time of his escape,…

You have a vivid imagination. The facts do not necessarily support what you claimed.

Occam's razor requires an adequate accounting of the facts, not speculation.

All you have mentioned is speculation, and the facts you have mentioned don't support this narrative, neither when you first mentioned it, nor now.

You misused it, and trying to falsely justify that you didn't is deluding yourself.

Post reply on HN