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Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Affirmative action is reparations by another name. It's like saying I should pay for my ancestors crimes. I am a pretty liberal person, but watching a white male candidate pass the interview but not get a job explicitly because he was a white male (because the only slots left were for "diverse" candidates) even makes me uncomfortable. That's a lived experience. I watched it in real life. Jon Stewart has had two guest…

It's easy for Jon Stewart to feel that way cause it can't hurt him. There is no minority Jon Stewart to take his job, and he already has so much money he will be wealthy the rest of his life even if he loses his job today and never works again. I think that is where democrats often run foul of average voters.. they see very wealthy democrats pushing something. It won't hurt the wealthy democrats, but it could hurt th…

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Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Affirmative action is reparations by another name. It's like saying I should pay for my ancestors crimes. I am a pretty liberal person, but watching a white male candidate pass the interview but not get a job explicitly because he was a white male (because the only slots left were for "diverse" candidates) even makes me uncomfortable. That's a lived experience. I watched it in real life. Jon Stewart has had two guest…

It's easy for Jon Stewart to feel that way cause it can't hurt him. There is no minority Jon Stewart to take his job, and he already has so much money he will be wealthy the rest of his life even if he loses his job today and never works again. I think that is where democrats often run foul of average voters.. they see very wealthy democrats pushing something. It won't hurt the wealthy democrats, but it could hurt th…

Yes. Jon Stewart has said multiple times something like "it's just resource guarding," which is easy to say from a position of abundance.

He is the populist voice of the educated left and I find lots of echo's in my own social circles/education.

Stewart is coming around and waking up to the idea that "woke" policies were rejected, and the democrats need re-framing/a reckoning. IMHO, he is largely the voice of democratic reckoning. Biden wasn't kicked out until Stewart's public evisceration and declaration that the emperor, in fact, has no clothes. He at least adapts with increasing information.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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Democrats are largely controlled opposition. If you ask where democratic power comes from, it comes from campaign donations by America's richest and most powerful people. Bloomberg ran for president under their banner, think about that. At minimum it communicates that the democratic platform is compatible with oligarchs. How are they supposed to wrangle corporate power, when that is exactly where their power comes fr…

The sadder is part is that that reality is a ticking time bomb. It will work until people are so pissed off that the pitchforks come out.

Just like when the pitchforks came out in Nazi Germany in order to overthrow the Nazi regime... /s

Pitchforks don't work without a supporting institution, and the Intelligence state, corporate and governmental, is very very capable of preventing free association by people who might wish to supplant an illegitimate government with a new one.

No it will work until the economy is properly destructed and we are defeated when our war machine is incapable of production, we become incapable of importing necessary goods, or the nuclear taboo is broken causing entire industries to disappear in the a flash.

If we are lucky some brave military officers will uphold their oath to the constitution before it's too late, but that seems unlikely. Pitchforks were for the last 5 months. Historically speaking if there aren't pitchforks in the next month it's over and we are on the fascism train until catastrophe.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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The problem here is talk is cheap. I've lived in SF and have heard a decade of talking heads prattling on about building housing, and then looking at the plans and they all end up being gobbledygook about "well if you do 20% Affordable, you can do 50% more units, but if it's 40% Affordable, you can do three more floors," and I keep staring at it and just think... why not just let people build more without doing anyth…

That’s a good idea to automatically upzone to double the sqft and units of neighbors (and height too). The previous BoS president, Aaron Peskin, had the opposite idea: he proposed an ordinance that apartments should be capped at the the average sqft of the neighbors within 300 ft (https://sfgov.legistar.com/LegislationDetail.aspx?ID=3781286...). Fortunately, that ordinance did not pass, but it gives you an idea of the nonsense that he promoted: scarcity in the name of affordability.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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> and people decided to reelect him four years later anyway. Underlying to your sentence seems to be the idea that “people” are dumb, which is also a widespread belief in some political circles. I think this idea is very unhelpful. Maybe some civilians are making bad decisions. Yes that’s probably true. But it’s still better than having some select few decide what is best for us. Politicians have to listen to and res…

Democracy is better than the alternatives, but that doesn't mean people aren't collectively pretty stupid. Your average American probably couldn't even find North Korea or Iran on a map, but that won't stop them from having opinions on those countries.

I think this “I’m smart, they are dumb” mindset is very unhelpful.

My experience when growing up on a farm is that farmers typically aren’t highly educated. But I can tell you they are typically damn smart. I would probably even go as far as saying that it’s in general harder to fool a farmer than a programmer. Because a farmer that is easy to fool is not a farmer anymore. The farm will have gone bankrupt already. And it’s similar to self-employed painters I guess. Maybe they are not academically smart, but they are certainly not dumb either.

So that’s my main problem with this “I’m smart they are dumb” mindset which is the default in academia. It diminishes large parts of society and for no good reason. I think it would be way more fun if society can respect all the players in the system.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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It's easy for Jon Stewart to feel that way cause it can't hurt him. There is no minority Jon Stewart to take his job, and he already has so much money he will be wealthy the rest of his life even if he loses his job today and never works again. I think that is where democrats often run foul of average voters.. they see very wealthy democrats pushing something. It won't hurt the wealthy democrats, but it could hurt th…

Yes. Jon Stewart has said multiple times something like "it's just resource guarding," which is easy to say from a position of abundance. He is the populist voice of the educated left and I find lots of echo's in my own social circles/education. Stewart is coming around and waking up to the idea that "woke" policies were rejected, and the democrats need re-framing/a reckoning. IMHO, he is largely the voice of democra…

> Stewart is coming around and waking up to the idea that "woke" policies were rejected, and the democrats need re-framing/a reckoning. IMHO, he is largely the voice of democratic reckoning. Biden wasn't kicked out until Stewart's public evisceration and declaration that the emperor, in fact, has no clothes. He at least adapts with increasing information.

I just finished watching his interview with Ezra Klien, and as an on/off viewer of the TDS from back in his anti-war rants from 2003 or so (still in HS so kind of fuzzy on dates) to today I have seen a noticeable difference; he has finally realized that it's not that 'fraud, waste, abuse' in government doesn't occur on both sides of the isles (that much is probably always clear) it's that the two-party paradigm have in fact insidiously profited in their own specific ways from their respective MOs, and political theater aside are entirely complicit with it as it maintains the status quo.

Anything that deviates from the norm (eg Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul) is to be brandished too extreme, or unelectable and a loss to the other isle is a better result as it is something that detracts from the business as usual approach in modern US politics. The faces/names might change, but the tactics are the same, denying access to RNC/DNC platforms removing or outright denying delegates etc... it's all been done on both sides.

Just look at the face of the man melt when he hears how the Rural Broadband Bill process purposely rendered itself moot, and perhaps made the cluster** of DOGE become an inevitability--the obvious profiteer in chief Musk being the only one to really 'win' because of his innate and impeccable ability to award himself and his corps Govt contracts while championing and branding himself the best CEO the private sector has to offer.

Not only that, watch the interview with Maria Ressa when he realizes that the same Zuck that got Obama elected and then cozied up to Trump when he needed to has been the cause and reason why extremes of political fascism in the Philippines has risen, via Cambridge Analytica, and is part of the same agenda that has been playing out in US elections since 2016.

I don't know what to say about the TDS Host alumni, I reserve judgment on their POVs at this point, but I was a big fan of John Oliver since his days on The Bugle but if/when both him and Jon get together on a stand-up tour like he did with Chappele targeted at their primary demographic I think they can exert their collective influence to their hard-liner leftist audience to see that in actuality the Left-Right paradigm is in actuality a very parasitic symbiosis where the host (The US populace and perhaps World at large) will always suffer if it is the only form of governance we can either fathom or implement.

It's clear that resources and technology aren't the limiting factor in solving a large amount of Humanity's problems, it's that entrenched power (and those who benefit from it) refuse to relinquish any of it and will sooner destroy itself, and us with it, before it ever corrects itself.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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> Then you get sad, because you realize there is no way to get actual representation for the issues you care about other than to run yourself, but if you ran explicitly to challenge those in power, those in power would fund your opposition. So then you realize that it's hard to get into power without expressing loyalty to those who grant power, and then you have a cogent explanation for why things are the way they ar…

Can you say Bernie is in power? I think he proves my point, especially in regards to the presidential primaries, or maybe that's the point you're making. He was giving a speech to some super privileged college kids not too long ago when one of them asked something like "why should we work against a system that benefits us" and he said change likely isn't going to come from the government/rich kids so he's working on…

My point was look at what happened to Bernie primary results. One guy who openly railed against the billionaires.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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All of the above is completely true. But right now they are in the acute/fallout phase of a massive economic disruption (the deleveraging of a highly indebted real estate sector, no less severe than the GFC, they overbuilt to a massive degree). No matter what folks are going to be struggling bad atm. The trillion dollar question is what does this look like in ten years? It could go either way. A Japan style lost deca…

China's population is already declining, and that decline is accelerating. They are projected to lose 100M people by 2050, and 500M by 2075. Given their aversion to immigration, demand will continue to plummet for those unoccupied properties. This is clearly the end of their property boom. This was one of the last options left to ordinary Chinese to build wealth. Their stock market is little more than a slot machine.…

We are all rapidly aging and pretty much no-one is bringing in anywhere near enough net contributing migrants to offset this.

What the immigration argument overlooks is domestic migration, particularly urbanization. It's zero sum for sure and rural communities will be hollowed out but I think there's a real possibility that they'll be able to soak up much of the excess capacity in the coming decade.

Urbanization massively increases productivity, reduces infrastructure costs etc. There's a real economic beauty to scale. Downside it suppresses fertility even further.

Elder care will be a real nightmare though, but the Chinese elders are willing to accept far more modest conditions and outcomes than their western counterparts. Confucian values for better or worse really help here.

It could go either way at this point.

Re: Abundance isn't going to happen unless politicians are scared of the status quo

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I am a YIMBY (in the form of an incremental upzoning advocate), but the problem with the Abundance campaign is that it will do little to affect housing affordability if wealth inequality is not addressed at the same time. The young and the working class increasingly don't have the capital to buy even with an increased supply of housing. Absent that, the new housing units will be bought by entities who have most of th…

Wild that you're getting downvoted. I agree with you. Housing affordability is a wealth inequality problem.

Perhaps people want to only see this problem as having a single facet: housing supply. Maybe others don't see a problem with growing inequality (that's not an uncommon opinion among the well-off).

Housing supply is a major part of it, but the reason it is so resistant to a solution is because it is multifactorial with the factors all influencing each other.

It's a wealth inequality problem created by the economic system favoring capital over labor, unreasonable local zoning restrictions, and also historical housing discrimination (redlining) which then feeds back into wealth inequality.

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