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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by apalerwuss »

The problem I have with these kinds of hot-takes is that they often don't tell the full story, and it's seemingly for the purpose of generating rage. For some inexplicable reason, this guy truncates the paragraph from the Terms of Use, repackaging the information without a key part of the final sentence: "....to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox."

I'm not saying that this definitely makes a material difference, but it certainly changes the framing of it. The way he has framed it makes it sound like Mozilla has given itself carte blanche to do what it wants -- but the little caveat at the end of the sentence really does change the narrative a little bit. So why cut off a sentence half-way through it -- is it maybe to make it sound worse? For that reason alone, I can't take this guy seriously.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

Mistletoe wrote: post #155
userbinator wrote: post #151

The other WTF is here: Your use of Firefox must follow Mozilla’s Acceptable Use Policy, and you agree that you will not use Firefox to infringe anyone’s rights or violate any applicable laws or regulations. Acceptable Use Policy links to https://www.mozilla.org/about/legal/acceptable-use/ which says "You may not use any of Mozilla’s services to[...]Upload, download, transmit, display, or grant access to content that…

We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_ver... Some of the things that are happening are just from the threat of “something bad might come down from the new administration”. It’s so ridiculous.

"We"? Do we live in the same first world where people fuck like animals and promiscuity is the overwhelming norm?

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by ddalex »

caturopath wrote: post #262
jcranmer wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's against the Terms of Use to use Firefox to... watch porn? Firefox isn't a Mozilla service. The Mozilla services are things like account sync, or the review tool they use.

I think Mozilla VPN is a Mozilla service? It's pretty odd if you aren't allowed to use their VPN to watch or share porn - send unsolicited communications (for example cold emailing an employer about a job) - Deceive or mislead (for example inviting your brother over for a surprise party under false pretenses) - Purchase legal controlled products (for example sending the pharmacy a refill for your Xanax) - Collect ema…

"If you're doing it you have to give us the data, and btw you can't do it either"

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by BSDobelix »

jorams wrote: post #509
BSDobelix wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>despite Mozilla working in the interest of users to a infinitely greater degree than any other major browser vendor. Obviously not anymore, it's a add company now. But at least they have "cool" party's in Zambia.

> it's a add company now Note that "any other major browser vendor" is a short list of ad companies with a much worse track record.

I don't think Apple (Safari) is a ad company.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by thorw93040494 »

apalerwuss wrote: post #511

The problem I have with these kinds of hot-takes is that they often don't tell the full story, and it's seemingly for the purpose of generating rage. For some inexplicable reason, this guy truncates the paragraph from the Terms of Use, repackaging the information without a key part of the final sentence: "....to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content as you indicate with your use of Firefox."…

But Mozilla said what they will do. They also had very expensive rebranding to support it! They are now activist AI company that wants to fight disinformation, censor people and sell ads.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by nonrandomstring »

mafuy wrote: post #490
nonrandomstring wrote: post #438

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No better place to leave for This is an amazingly common psychological trap. You wouldn't believe the number of people, men as well as women, who end up in the therapy chair, at the police station or at the hospital A&E, because they are "stuck" with a violent and abusive partner. The modern tech landscape is all about abuse. People use fancy names for it like "enshitification" or "rot economy" - but at the end of…

This is a poor analogy. There are thousands of people to meet and bond with, so you do have a choice. But there are less than a handful of fundamentally different browsers. Derivative browsers don't really count here, as they depend on the upstream to not hurt them. For instance, if the parent project completely removes something essential for privacy, it it a lot of work to keep it in your code. The Manifest v2 remo…

I don't think the analogy is weakened by bringing numbers/quantity into it. The dynamics work for any number of principals. Take a 3 player game, where Alice trusts Bob but is better off with Bill, however Bill is not visible to her because of chaff/disinfo/noise broadcast by Bob or Bob's confederates.

It's not what Mozilla does, it's about what Mozilla says/claims.

Mozilla is a deceptive/defective entity here.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by afastow »

skeledrew wrote: post #505

Hmm it seems to me a viable solution (at least for the more tech inclined) is to just firewall it so it's unable to call home (although then there's an extension sourcing issue). Unless there's more of a philosophical stance. Or am I missing something else? I've been a mostly happy Firefox user since v2, and have made it through - though will never forget - the extensions system "upgrade" debacle and more. As long as…

"At least for the more tech inclined" instantly eliminates 99% of users, probably even of Firefox for what you're talking about. I mean I'm tech inclined and I have no idea how you propose to firewall an internet browser from calling home. Maybe it's possible, I've never tried so I legitimately don't know. But if it is, it's an absolutely meaningless portion of users who'd even be able to do so much less go through the effort of actually doing it.
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