Live data from Hacker News

TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

reuters.com

511–520 of 1001 posts

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#511

US citizens do not want this. Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things. The whole country has turned into some sort of lower primate improv troupe where whatever stupid thing comes up gets a "Yes and let's" diversion instead of an adult in the room standing up and cutting the crap.

Hey, the ADL president is a US citizen, and he said "we really have a TikTok problem."

[flagged]

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

US citizens most definitely want this.

Some, sure, highly unlikely a majority does if you look at how many Americans use TikTok

How many of those people voted? The young people who don't vote don't want this and the old people who do vote do want this. The outcome is predictable.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#514

US citizens do not want this. Every news article descending into tangents on any other point than that is part of why we can't have nice things. The whole country has turned into some sort of lower primate improv troupe where whatever stupid thing comes up gets a "Yes and let's" diversion instead of an adult in the room standing up and cutting the crap.

Pew has it at 32–28 in support of the ban[0]. I think that's pretty low for a bipartisan effort where the opposition hasn't really had a chance to air it's case.

[0] https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/09/05/support-f...

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#515
post #501
post #79

Maybe the Chinese people will be able to teach the US people how to side-load APKs (on Android) and use a VPN. That would be ironic.

No it wouldn't be ironic because all of that is allowed. In fact, existing tiktok users are welcome to keep the existing app on their phone. What's being banned is the commerce.

Side-loading APKs are still needed for new Android users, not too much difference right? Exactly like the workarounds you need to find when you want to install "Risky applications" on a Chinese Xiaomi phone.

As a Chinese hated CCP for the internet censorship and decided to be an expat, what's going on these days is changing my world view.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#516
post #396
post #6

The migration app of choice appears to be .. xiaohongshu, or "little red book". I'm guessing this won't last since it wasn't intended to have lots of Westerners using it and neither government is going to be happy with that scale of unfiltered contact between ordinary Chinese citizens and US citizens. In the meantime, it's the place for Luigi Mangione memes.

Teens are rebellious & want to be far away from parents. It disqualifies mainstream apps like Twitter, Reddit, BlueSky, Reels & now Snapchat as well. This leaves Tiktok and now international apps like Xiaohongshu as the obvious alternatives. The more the US govt. forces youths to use American mega-corps, the less they want to use it.

Hilarious categorizing TikTok as non-mainstream. I get what you mean, but the most popular thing is pretty much mainstream by default

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#517

Tiktok is obviously a massive national security risk, and I find it funny people don't see that. It is extremely well established that propaganda has great value, and so allowing a foreign adversary the capacity to potentially control the information your citizens receive in a clandestine way is insanely dangerous.

National security risk to which nation? The kids on TikTok seem to understand pretty well why it all the sudden was wrongthink.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#518
post #49
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a casual observer, I don't understand why YouTube Shorts isn't the obvious successor? The UI is better than TikTok ever was and a lot of the most popular creators are already mirroring their content there?

I don't use TikTok, but my understanding is that they are just a lot better than anyone else with the algorithm. Somehow where Meta built a social graph, TikTok built a graph of videos (no need to know who you are, they can just suggest videos based on other videos you watch). And it's apparently difficult to catch up (presumably because they have more users so more data to make better predictions). That would, IMO,…

I suspect that the algorithm is taking in inputs that maybe we don’t consider. Not just swipes or likes, but maybe even how still the phone is while you watch it or if you blink less, signs you’re more focused on the video. Maybe they don’t have access to that telemetry but I think that’s kind of the vein of how they measure attention more than just touchscreen actions

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#519

I'm tearing my hair out... how is the solution here not just better data privacy laws? Doesn't that solve all the issues, both domestic and international?

I believe there was a bill that addressed this, but if failed shortly before the TikTok stuff.

Re: TikTok preparing for U.S. shut-off on Sunday

#520
post #222

Anyone remember when they were in school and adults tried to ban access to a popular website? I imagine this ban will go down exactly the same. Never underestimate a bored teenager's ability to bypass tech restrictions. Heck maybe this is what is needed to finally get a new generation out of the comforts of their tech walled garden and get their hands dirty.

This ban does nothing about the mobile tick tok website. You don’t need to be a techie to use the browser on your cellphone. Yet it is a point of friction compared to an app with native notifications. And given the expectations of the average american tech user who has been coddled for the last decade into safe app store apps instead of the scary web, people are legitimately concerned.
Post reply on HN