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What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

jjallen wrote: post #502
xyst wrote: post #491

A couple of theories: - person clearly had meticulously planned the execution of the hit and exfiltration. Even leaving red herrings on his way out of the city (backpack full of Monopoly money). Yet clumsily keeps _all_ of the evidence that would implicate himself in this murder. Not to mention he is wandering about in public while a multi-state manhunt is underway with the full weight of alphabet soup agencies, and…

If you wanted to get caught then why not just stay at the crime scene or surrender a few days later? But maybe he knew it was inevitable so he spent his last few days living life normally.

Maybe to create clout ? (assuming he really intended to get caught eventually)

Reportedly he is smart, so he probably knows the value of a good mystery.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

ladyanita22 wrote: post #510
tern wrote: post #498

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My takeaway from this is that what would have saved this man is a proper liberal arts degree. I can't deny that there are reasons for engineering degrees being as focused as they are, but he clearly didn't get the chance to work out his philosophical ideas in an appropriately challenging environment.

My takeaway is that an engineering degree doesn't have anything to do with a guy that, from that message, looks to me as an arrogant narcissist (by how smart he tries to be) who likely doesn't have trained too well his acceptance for frustration and who seems to give in his impulses disregarding anything else. And your takeaway is, for me, infantile, naive and dangerous. This guys is not a victim of a system, this gu…

Very contrarian take I think. Most people see that the CEO isn't just unliked, he's actively responsible for the deaths of many. So, for many, his death is justified. As the legal system would never find him guilty for something all knew he was guilty of.

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Post by kevinventullo »

rockorager wrote: post #439
archagon wrote: post #311

Back in June, an innocent Latino student was shot in Dolores Park around 10pm. (Dolores being one of the most popular parks in SF, with people walking their dogs and playing tennis late into the night.) His family put up fliers all over the neighborhood begging for any leads. I've barely heard a peep from the media or authorities about the murder since it happened. In contrast, how many man-hours went into investigat…

I understand the fear of living near such a heinous crime, but you have to see the difference between the two situations. Random crime is scary, but is random. All signs point to this being an assassination . Brian Thompson wasn't the victim of a random criminal, nor was he murdered by some person he has a connection with. He was assassinated. So the right question is why do we investigate assassinations differently…

Yes, the purpose of an assassination is to have societal implications. In this case, the implications primarily threaten the people in power. Thus, those people direct their forces at preventing and prosecuting such acts.

This is all totally consistent with OP’s charge that there is a two-tiered justice system. Personally, I would much rather see the man who murdered OP’s neighbor in jail than Luigi Mangione.

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Post by zxcvbnm69 »

qzw wrote: post #68
breadwinner wrote: post #44

He was carrying all of the evidence with him, including the fake ID he used at the hostel, the gun & suppressor, mask, and even a handwritten manifesto that points to his motivation. It seems he wanted to be found.

Exactly my thoughts as well. Every piece of evidence law enforcement has was basically intentionally provided by him. If he just stuffed his trash in one of his 7 pockets, or wore a pair of sunglasses, or didn't actually stare straight at the camera in the taxi like he was getting his school picture taken? I mean pretty much the only thing he failed to do was leave his business card at the crime scene.

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Post by Cumpiler69 »

likeabatterycar wrote: post #508
xyst wrote: post #491

A couple of theories: - person clearly had meticulously planned the execution of the hit and exfiltration. Even leaving red herrings on his way out of the city (backpack full of Monopoly money). Yet clumsily keeps _all_ of the evidence that would implicate himself in this murder. Not to mention he is wandering about in public while a multi-state manhunt is underway with the full weight of alphabet soup agencies, and…

Educated people tend to overestimate their abilities outside their domain. We've all known someone with an "I can do anything" complex. Anyone can do anything... poorly. He likely deluded himself into believing he already outsmarted the cops so why even bother. Having two degrees doesn't make one a competent plumber, electrician, or in this case, criminal.

>Educated people tend to overestimate their abilities outside their domain.

This. And HN is the perfect example to observe this phenomenon.

I lost track how many highly confident but incorrect takes I read here on semiconductor topics from people who assumed they know everything about any tech topic because they earn sich figures from writing crud web software.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

anon291 wrote: post #391
ks2048 wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Final sentence is telling (among others): "Violence never solved anything" is a statement uttered by cowards and predators. Although I'm not sure what "predators" means here. Don't predators use violence?

He's basically correct though. This statement has also sat terribly with me. Especially given how much we glorify documents like the constitution or declaration of independence. Like many absolute statements, this claim is just plain wrong. America (and many other countries) were started by revolutions. The revolutionaries had guns. Countries like India are unique for gaining freedom without violence. I mean just loo…

> Countries like India are unique for gaining freedom without violence.

There was a lot of violence leading up to and, sadly, after the independence of India. Gandhi was nonviolent, but many of the freedom fighters for India's independence were not.

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

dnissley wrote: post #9
gregw2 wrote: post #2

Other links: https://github.com/lnmangione https://x.com/pepmangione - more of a reposter than a commenter, for example * reposts link on mental health titled "Seasonality of brain function: role in psychiatric disorders" * view on what's wrong with society: "I believe this book will go down in history as the most important philosophical text of the early 21st century." [Tim Urban's "What's Our Problem?"] * [ironical…

TBH, this feels like some kind of psychotic break. He just kind of stops posting out of nowhere. On twitter there are some attempts from others to reach him that seem concerned for his wellbeing: https://x.com/DanielleFong/status/1866211089660477490

Some say he had a medical issue and saw first hand the reality of being sick and not an elite in America (even though, by all accounts he probably had good insurance and was quite wealthy in his own right).

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Post by patrickk »

lm28469 wrote: post #507
xyst wrote: post #491

A couple of theories: - person clearly had meticulously planned the execution of the hit and exfiltration. Even leaving red herrings on his way out of the city (backpack full of Monopoly money). Yet clumsily keeps _all_ of the evidence that would implicate himself in this murder. Not to mention he is wandering about in public while a multi-state manhunt is underway with the full weight of alphabet soup agencies, and…

It wouldn't be the first time the police/three letters agencies lie about how they identified/located a suspect to not leak potentially illegal surveillance processes

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

breadwinner wrote: post #328
Miner49er wrote: post #65

Might be fake, but looks like he may have had a dead man's switch upload a YouTube video: https://youtu.be/bdhs9g3Wwg0

Confirmed as fake. CNN reports: "YouTube on Monday removed three channels belonging to Luigi Mangione, the suspect in the killing of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, as well as a channel that was altered Monday to look as if it belonged to him..." "... channel was removed for violating YouTube’s impersonation policies, after the channel name and handle were updated on Monday following news of Mangione’s arrest to…

Fine, confirmed as fake but he also had three real ones, "YouTube on Monday removed three channels belonging to Luigi Mangione ..."

What was the content in those channels and why were they removed?

All other online footprint of this guy is still online (even his github!), what content was there on YT to grant it being removed?

Lack of transparency will just generate more questions and doubt.

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Post by lyu07282 »

SilasX wrote: post #7
gehwartzen wrote: post #5

After seemingly acting so carefully right before and after the shooting I’m perplexed as to why he had so much evidence still on him (Gun/silencer, Fake ID, manifesto) during the arrest. One would think he would have discarded or destroyed those things as soon as possible after the incident.

Just to put the hypothesis out there: because he's a fall guy to placate the people afraid of being killed like the UHC CEO, which the authorities desperately need. (Although a brief perusal of the photos in the article doesn't show anything obviously different between them.)

This seems extremely unlikely in practice considering how many people would need to play along. Also what happens if more evidence appears afterwards or the actual killer gives himself up? You just end up playing whack a mole to keep the lie working. No it really doesn't make sense.

Not saying it's impossible but in those cases they need to A) know who the real killer actually is, and B) kill/suicide the fall guy.

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