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Two undersea cables in Baltic Sea disrupted
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in other words, we need their false negative rate
> we need their false negative rate We have it. It's almost 100%. They've been threatening WWIII and nuclear armageddon since 2022.
In my experience, the problem is also that one group of people refuses to act on what the other side actually says (because it’s inconvenient/dangerous).
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#513It's worth mentioning that cable breakages happen quite often; globally about 200 times per year [1] and the article itself mentions that just last year, two other cables and a gas pipeline were taken out by an anchor. The Gulf of Finland is evidently quite shallow. From what I understand, cable repair ships are likely to use ROVs for parts of repair jobs but only when the water is shallow so hopefully they can figur…
This is a misleading framing. The two cables last year were not taken out by an anchor as an accident, it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable. In other words, sabotage. There's no point in trying to color any of this with rose tinted glasses when it's clear who's done it and why.
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Don’t trust the Je… eh, Russians. I’m not sure whether you are serious with that xenophobic comment.
Don’t trust the Russians has been safe doctrine in europe for several decades. Bandit state.
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The Soviet Union was right to be scared back then. The next invasion from the west happened 1941. And I guess there is still some paranoia in Russia. The NATO Neocons are busy feeding it.
>The Soviet Union was right to be scared back then. The next invasion from the west happened 1941. Not really. The USSR was scared about what they perceived as Anglo-led forces and so united with Germany against them and attacked them first. The invasion of 1941 came from Germany who was still an ally even just the night before the invasion - Hitler even fed Stalin (and Stalin went for it!) the fake that the German f…
Munich was an "alliance" of Great Britain und Germany (and sort of Poland).
Then Germany and the Soviet Union allied against Poland.
Then Great Britain and The Soviet Union allied.
>The Russian paranoia hasn't changed much since Ivan The Terrible, long before neocons.
Prisoners of Geography is pop science but I like the chapter about Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_Geography
https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/106335/blood-and-ruins-by-ov...
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> it was literally a ship putting down its anchor just before the cable and then dragging it over the cable I don't understand. That's how I'd expect most accidents to happen. Someone decides to anchor too close to an undersea cable, the anchor fails to hold and the drifting ship drags the anchor over the cable damaging it. I'm not saying it wasn't sabotage, but there needs to be something a bit more than that. Sourc…
I can only upvote. How does the anchor come into contact with the cable if not by that exact sequence of steps? The ship isn't sailing through the Gulf with its anchor down, it has to go near the cable, drop anchor then drag. Otherwise the cable and anchor will not interact. This is the only way an accident could happen (almost).
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yes. That is why Russia hasn't yet moved, and still looking for a way to do it. Russia is deliberately stuck in the past where for example the "War scare of 1927" laid ground and provided the excuse for the militarization of and repressions in USSR and ultimately to the USSR starting WWII together with and as ally of Hitler. And the first thing USSR did back then in 1939 was the "solution" of the perceived issues of…
The Soviet Union was right to be scared back then. The next invasion from the west happened 1941. And I guess there is still some paranoia in Russia. The NATO Neocons are busy feeding it.
And everyone next to the Soviet Union was right to be scared since Soviet Union invaded Finland and Poland in 1939.
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#519So blowing up North Stream was fun, but this somewhy isn’t. I’m very often puzzled by the logic and morale in the West.
North Stream was blown up by the desperate defender in a war of aggression.
These undersea cables were (likely) severed by the aggressor in the same war.
Are you less puzzled now?
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Surely you should be able to provide a source for the claim that Trump threatened Putin over Ukraine.
Here's the man himself claiming this in his inimitably eloquent style: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-putin-no-way-ukraine-mu... "No way." "Way."