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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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To sum up the HN wisdom on Apple Silicon Macs: Before the M4 models: omg, Apple only gives you 8GB RAM in the base model? Garbage! After the M4 models: the previous laptops were so good, why would you upgrade?

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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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My one concern is that nano-texture apple displays are a little more sensitive to damage, and even being super careful with my MBPs I get the little marks from the keyboard when you carry the laptop with your hand squeezing the lid and bottom (a natural carry motion).

Put a facial tissue over keyboard before closing the lid.

Macs - they just work.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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The M4 Max goes up to 128GB RAM, and "over half a terabyte per second of unified memory bandwidth" - LLM users rejoice.

I'm curious about getting one of these to run LLM models locally, but I don't understand the cost benefit very well. Even 128GB can't run, like, a state of the art Claude 3.5 or GPT 4o model right? Conversely, even 16GB can (I think?) run a smaller, quantized Llama model. What's the sweet spot for running a capable model locally (and likely future local-scale models)?

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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They have a business lease program - it's super easy to sign up for, and it's not like you have to have an LLC or something.

To all these comments, I'm not talking practically for myself, I'm talking about what a revolutionary "think different" company would do for its users and projection into the world. Starting with taking away the friction of changing models and the impact of all these product lines, which sometimes instantly become less valuable (2023's "8GB is more than enough"), would be a good start, and Apple if anyone could amortize this on behalf of their userbase.

Another observation; I've travelled the world and rarely see people who could use robust, secure products the most (vulnerable people) using Apple products. They're all packing second-tier Samsung or LG Androids and old Windows notebooks (there are decent Samsung, LG, Android, Windows products, but that's not what they have access to).

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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The machine is great! How is its performance for AI model training? A lot of library and tools are not built for M series chip

Poor. My M3 Max/128GB is about 20x slower than 4090. For inference it's much better, still much slower than 4090 but it enables working with much larger LLMs albeit at ~10t/s (in comparison, Threadripper 2990WX/256GB does like 0.25t/s). M4 Max is likely going to be ~25% faster than M3 Max based on CPU perf and memory bandwidth.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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I feel like if they pushed Win32/Gaming on Apple Mx hardware it'd give at least a single reason for people to adopt or upgrade their devices to new models. I know for sure I'd be on board if everything that ran on my steam deck ran on a mac game wise, since that's holding me back from dropping the cash. I still think I'll get a mini though.

My only explanations for the lack of gaming support (see historical lack of proper OpenGL support) while still supporting high end graphics use cases (film editing, CAD, visual effects) are: 1) Either Apple wants to maintain the image of the Macbook as a "serious device", and not associate itself with the likes of "WoW players in their mom's basement". 2) Microsoft worked something out with Apple, where Apple would n…

Steve Jobs was historically against gaming on apple devices and, I believe, went so far as to try to remove them from the Apple Store. Apple is only recently starting to introduce gaming seriously back into the platform.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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> "up to 1.8x faster when compared to the 16-inch MacBook Pro with M1 Pro" I insist my 2020 Macbook M1 was the best purchase I ever made

Yep. I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I was more or less upgrading yearly in the past because the speed increases (both in the G4 and then Intel generations) were so significant. This M1 has exceeded my expectations in every category, it's faster quieter and cooler than any laptop i've ever owned. I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it. I wouldn't upgr…

"I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it."

Me too. Only one complaint. After I accidentally spilled a cup of water into it on an airplane, it didn't work.

(However AppleCare fixed it for $300 and I had a very recent backup. :) )

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