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Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by kev009 »

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FWIW, it was the same (even at the enterprise level). We had a commodity (local cloud) computing Dell infra in the mid 2010s and were constantly replacing/returning “simple stuff” (fans, support flanges, memory, NICs). “Dude, you’re gettn’ a Dell” became—-nope, never again.

I feel like there are not good quality hardware company nowadays. Dell: the land of motherboard dying and dog shit trackpads. Asus: dead soldered RAM. Most BIOS: too long to boot, it's fucking 2024 what is your BIOS doing it needs more than 2s to boot? It was taking the same time to boot 30 years ago. Every mouse: double click problem due to wrong use of the actuators. And every hardware company has to try to cram so…

I would tepidly recommend lenovo, they support the firmware for a long time and most things work. Warranty is what you decide to buy. Designs tend to be pretty serviceable but it varies in the models and over the years.

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Post by vladvasiliu »

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> You may want to look at the Samsung 5K monitor. Which Samsung are you talking about? We got some new screens at work, Samsung S9 something or other. 27", 5K, thunderbolt 4. As you say, the text is very sharp, and colors seem fine enough. But that's about it, and I would not recommend them at all. The worst issue is that the viewing angles are ridiculously bad. I'm sitting at arm's length, and the borders are very d…

Yes, that's the one (Samsung only has one 5K monitor). Most reviews I've seen have been pretty positive about it, but it's good to hear a dissenting opinion as well. I believe the viewing angle problem you're talking about is due to the anti-glare finish. It's a trade off for sure (one that some people would not want). I assume that's why Apple offers their consumer 5K monitor with or without that finish. Apple also…

It's true that the anti-glare works OK. By that, I mean that I've never thought about it, and now that you mention it, I realize it's a good thing since I never felt the need to complain (I don't usually hold back). The screen is also very sharp and doesn't exhibit the weird texture some anti-glare coatings used to have.

However, in that particular office, there are no strong sources of light that would shine directly on the screens, so it's hard to say how good it actually is, especially when comparing to other models. The screen can also get pretty bright, so it should be able to handle most lighting situations in an office.

I type this on a Dell U3223QE, on a black background, with two lamps right behind me. The lamps aren't very bright, but the room is fairly dark (it's still night here). I can see the glare if I pay attention to it (didn't notice it before reading your comment). This is a 32" screen, sitting at roughly the same distance as the Samsung, yet it doesn't exhibit the viewing angle issue at all.

I do know that having a brightish window behind me with this screen requires upping the brightness, or the glare would be a pain. Never tried the Samsung in that configuration.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by rho4 »

clark_dent wrote: post #486
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Reposting my experience from my comment on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcmonitors/comments/163yjj8/c... I have been using a 55" 8K QE55QN700BT ($1400) at home since Jan. 2023 and a 55" 8K QE55QN700C ($1100 on sale) at the office since August 2023. I can tell you that I will never go back, but there is definitely room for improvement. Biggest negative: Sitting close (~12"), the far areas are probably at >45…

12" viewing distance?! It sounds like you should be spending more at the optometrist and less at Best Buy. I cannot even imagine sitting that close to a screen--don't you have to turn your head just to see both sides of a document?

It's probably more like 18" currently. I don't know, what's your reading distance to a book page? I use FancyZones to dividede the screen into 3 vertical areas (like having 3 monitors). For coding and longer reading periods I use the middle area. But yes, to look at the side areas I have to turn my head or even slide the chair a little. The angle could be better, like I said.

Regarding reading distance: For me the important part is to sit straight and avoid hunching. Choose a combination of distance and screen scaling factor that works for you...

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by rho4 »

kraftman wrote: post #474
rho4 wrote: post #447

Reposting my experience from my comment on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcmonitors/comments/163yjj8/c... I have been using a 55" 8K QE55QN700BT ($1400) at home since Jan. 2023 and a 55" 8K QE55QN700C ($1100 on sale) at the office since August 2023. I can tell you that I will never go back, but there is definitely room for improvement. Biggest negative: Sitting close (~12"), the far areas are probably at >45…

I saw your reddit comment, but I couldn't find the source for the TCL 65 inch? For me im tempted to go from 43" 4k to 55" 8k, my only concern is the edges being too far away unless its curved.

I googled again, 120Hz even: https://www.gizmochina.com/2023/12/11/tcl-unveils-65-inch-8k...

Who knows how much it will cost... My theory for the low prices for the 55" 8k TVs is that most people in the TV market go for the 65" version.

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Post by kraftman »

rho4 wrote: post #514
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I saw your reddit comment, but I couldn't find the source for the TCL 65 inch? For me im tempted to go from 43" 4k to 55" 8k, my only concern is the edges being too far away unless its curved.

I googled again, 120Hz even: https://www.gizmochina.com/2023/12/11/tcl-unveils-65-inch-8k... Who knows how much it will cost... My theory for the low prices for the 55" 8k TVs is that most people in the TV market go for the 65" version.

That article is from almost a year ago though, wouldn't it be available by now if it was going to be?

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Post by rho4 »

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I googled again, 120Hz even: https://www.gizmochina.com/2023/12/11/tcl-unveils-65-inch-8k... Who knows how much it will cost... My theory for the low prices for the 55" 8k TVs is that most people in the TV market go for the 65" version.

That article is from almost a year ago though, wouldn't it be available by now if it was going to be?

No idea... I saw it at the time because I have a Google search alert for "8k curved" :) I'm sure they will hit the market eventually...

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Post by rho4 »

rho4 wrote: post #516
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That article is from almost a year ago though, wouldn't it be available by now if it was going to be?

No idea... I saw it at the time because I have a Google search alert for "8k curved" :) I'm sure they will hit the market eventually...

The Samsung qe55qn700c is currently on sale in Switzerland for CHF 799 (~ USD 700) : https://www.interdiscount.ch/de/product/samsung-qe55qn700c-s...

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Post by dabiged »

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Most likely brightness. Turn the brightness to the maximum value and power will go up a lot.

Power consumption varies significantly based on what's being displayed, on top of brightness settings. I have a 42" 4k LG OLED. With a pure black background and just a taskbar visible (5% of screen), the TV draws ~40W because OLED pixels use no power when displaying black. Opening Chrome to Google's homepage in light mode pulls ~150W since each pixel's RGB components need power to produce white across most of the scr…

Thanks for taking the time to write this.

I was under the incorrect impression the power consumption would related to the rendering of the image (ala CPU/GPU work). Having it related to brightness makes much more sense.

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Post by hmottestad »

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You used to have a 32" 8K monitor and when it died you went for a 43" 4K monitor instead? Isn't that a massive difference in pixel density?

While I would prefer to have a large and HiDPI display in the future, unscaled 4k was more economical and has fringe benefits of not needing special setup/handling. I lost $5-6k with my failed Dell and am hesitant to spend a lot again since it was supposed to be a decade purchase. Thinking back the only other monitor I've ever lost was a Dell as well.. including 30 years of CRTs and CCFL LCDs never had any issues wit…

I never owned a Dell screen, but I once had a Dell laptop and it was built like a tank. My brother had a 27" LG monitor from back when 27" was the biggest and best you could get, wasn't even 4k back then. It just died one day, probably the back light. I had a 24" CCFL monitor that actually never died, just got dimmer and dimmer every year, after about 5 years it was about half as bright as it was new.

Today I mostly use my 16" Macbook, which is quite close to being 4K. I really enjoy the HiDPI and the 120Hz refresh rate, makes it hard to use an external monitor since you can rarely get a HiDPI and high refresh montiro.

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Post by hmottestad »

abecedarius wrote: post #475
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You used to have a 32" 8K monitor and when it died you went for a 43" 4K monitor instead? Isn't that a massive difference in pixel density?

Can't answer for them, but: lots of us are older and need glasses. To really benefit from your preferred resolution would mean tiny fonts that give me eyestrain. It makes sense for a phone or tablet held close up; for a monitor a meter away it mainly just increases the expense at every level (including video ram and bandwidth). OTOH more area is worth spending more on.

I use a mac, so it would run it scaled. Apple likes to call it Retina. Makes text look as clear as if it were printed on paper.
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