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Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by famouswaffles »

UncleMeat wrote: post #194
meowface wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you should try to give tools like this another chance. If Andrej Karpathy can say AI-assisted programming is a productivity boost for him ( https://x.com/karpathy/status/1827143768459637073 ), it can be a productivity boost for probably any programmer.

Andrej is a great communicator. I've never seen evidence that he is an especially exceptional programmer.

Between his roles at companies he's worked for, his research and his open source stuff, what else would you be looking for lol ?

Remove all the educator stuff and karpathy would still be one of the most accomplished of his generation in his field.

Idk just seems like a weird comment.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by thelittleone »

theragra wrote: post #354
arrobbiato wrote: post #94

Mixed feelings about this: clearly this is meant to match one of the killer features of Claude. I like using Claude, and I'm also a big supporter of Anthropic - not just because it's an underdog, but due to its responsible and ethical corporate governance model[1], which stands in stark contrast to OpenAI. It's worrying to see ChatGPT close one of the gaps between it and Claude. [1] https://www.anthropic.com/news/the…

OpenAI started the same, so we'll see. One thing I dislike is that Claude is even more "over safeguarded" then ChatGPT. It disallows even kind of reasonable questions about Ritalin bioavailability in different ways of administration.

insuflating?

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jillesvangurp »

frankdenbow wrote: post #442
epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

I envision lots of solo coders now able to compete with bigger companies, creating more niche software that meets peoples need better than generic solutions. Truly exciting time to be in software.

Yes, this is more or less my life. I run a small bootstrapped startup and do some consulting on the side. I have a few decades of experience. So it's not like I can't do things myself. But chat GPT has enormously enhanced my output. It's rarely perfect but I can bridge the gap usually by completing the job. My role is increasingly directing changes and telling it what needs doing next.

Canvas sounds useful. I'll be playing with that as soon as I can access it.

Another useful thing in chat gpt that I've been leveraging is its memory function. I just tell it to remember instructions so I don't have to spell them out the next time I'm doing something.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by ijidak »

jdiez17 wrote: post #345
joshstrange wrote: post #216

The issue I continue to have with many AI coding tools is they want me to use their own editor ("native", aka VSCode fork, or in the browser like this). I have zero intention of moving away from IDEA and nothing I've seen so far is good enough to make me want to switch. I really with there was more of "bringing AI into your existing tools/workflows" instead of "here is a new tool with AI baked in".

I have started using Claude Dev (an extension for VSCode - https://github.com/saoudrizwan/claude-dev ), and so far my impression has been very positive. It’s a full blown code agent that looks for relevant files in the code base, can ask you to run commands and modify files etc. You use your own Anthropic API key or self hosted model.

Are there any great AI plug-ins anyone recommends for Sublime Text?

For me it's still the cleanest editor.

VS Code is way too cluttered to be my daily driver for basic editing.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by ijidak »

epolanski wrote: post #407

Small ot, but it's quite interesting that the highest decisive impact generative AI is having right now is on tech workers and software developers in particular. I'm more and more convinced that we're on the edge of a major shake up in the industry with all these tools. Not getting replaced, but at this rate of improvements I can't unsee major changes. A recent junior I have in my team built his first app entirely wi…

In sci-fi, they'll often show a single super developer create a virtual world that realistically no single human would have the time to create.

Ready Player One comes to mind. Maybe Tron Legacy.

But, with AI productivity, it looks like AI will allow such super developers to create monstrously large worlds.

I can't wait to see this generation's Minecraft or the next Linus.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by aussieguy1234 »

Kostchei wrote: post #456
aussieguy1234 wrote: post #424

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As an engineer I've spoken to a couple of different designers who are building out prototypes of their startup ideas using LLM assistance with the coding. While no actual engineer is involved at that stage, if they got funded then I'm sure their next step will be to hire a real engineer to do it all properly.

I mean that might happen, but why get funding? Why not move to market immediately? Without debt. Get in the thick of it. Just do. You want a wage or do you want a product that does the thing. Because sometimes, with the llm, you can just build the thing. The marketing, the compliance, you might hire for that, or you might also out-source to the llm. Why would you hire? Either it works- in the sense of does the job an…

Let's see if your little app can handle millions of daily users without an actual engineer. Your average application will fall over before that.

It'll be some time before an AI will be able to handle this scenario.

But by then, your job, my job and everyone else's job will be automated, it's entirely possible the current economic system will collapse in this scenario.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jdiez17 »

dboreham wrote: post #430
boodleboodle wrote: post #416

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The more I think about it, the more I am convinced developers will be the "first to go" when AGI takes over. Before bloggers and youtubers. Because programming is an activity that requires the least amount of "grounding to reality" among all human activities. We made sure of this with layers and layers of convenient abstraction. What about developers that code the AI systems? Well.. I am sure AGI will come from other…

Sticking to my prediction that lawyers will be first.

FWIW I used various LLMs to draft a freelance work contract with good results. Of course I carefully read, thought about every clause, edited, etc. It’s probably not as bulletproof as something a lawyer could produce, but it was definitely a big help.

Re: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT

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Post by jdiez17 »

forgotoldacc wrote: post #468
choilive wrote: post #435

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Lawyers have a tricky thing called a license to practice law. Software developers have no such protection.

Programmers have been against unions/licenses in software development because we saw it as slowing down our ability to job hop, potentially massively lowering wages, and making a large barrier to entry (which hurts a lot of us who started as kids/teens). Now there's a chance that this unregulated wild west with a low barrier to entry that's benefited us for so long will come back to bite us in the ass. Kind of spooky…

I would be in favor of some kind of state approved exam/certification to ensure programmers have at least some basic knowledge of computer security and engineering ethics.

> making a large barrier to entry (which hurts a lot of us who started as kids/teens)

I doubt it. In my experience autodidacts are the best programmers I know.

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