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While still pretty clunky, I think I'd rather wear these for extended periods of time than Vision Pro glasses (100g vs 600g). This is the type of v1 minimalist design I was hoping Apple would go for. I assume Apple investigated this path but realized they would be cost prohibitive? (although when has that ever stopped Apple before?)

100 grams is still quite a lot of weight to have on the bridge of your nose. My glasses are ~22 grams and I can notice them after a full day.

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This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but Meta is in the right direction and has to go on an Amazon type arc to align their employees with their vision. I watched this podcast that released around the same time and Zuckerberg's argument/vision for the future of Meta seems solid[0].

Generally, a large magnitude of value is created during "platform shifts" and they have now placed (really good) bets on VR/AR and AI (LLMs).

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX7OduG1YmI

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Further evidence to the truth of this: The best minds of my generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. –Jeff Hammerbacher Oh lament! for what, not just the future, but the present, could have been. Edited to add: But! Even as I have just written that and stand by it, I just don't know if humanity could have done it any other way. One must sell their soul to 'the green', even just a little, to have th…

VHS, the early internet, video compression, and other advances were driven by porn. Now it seems like ads are driving everything. (Sure, including ads on porn, but I highly doubt porn dominates the ad market overall.) It seems like the widespread adoption that drives and is driven by technological progress always comes down to catering to some base urge. I guess if you zoom out, everything is driven by base urges, ju…

>VHS, the early internet, video compression, and other advances were driven by porn.

For posterity, this is completely true; people not liking it does not make it untrue.

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Nick Clegg (public affairs guy at FB) is currently lobbying to get VR headsets on schoolchildren. I can't think of anything I want less than my kids wearing those things while in class all day. https://nickclegg.medium.com/how-the-metaverse-can-transform...

heh ... i'm frustrated that the schools my kids are going to aren't embracing this tech. the applications in education are absolutely mind blowing.

I'd be happy with reliable HVAC and enough books to go around. AR headsets seem a bit frivolous.

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That was the part that stood out to me as well after watching The Verge's video: https://youtu.be/mpKKcqWnTus?t=98 The Vision Pro uses optical sensors for hand tracking, so if your hands aren't visible to the device it obviously can't track them. Electromyography solves that problem, and I could imagine Apple integrating some variant of this in a future Apple Watch, and just falling back to optical sensors if you don…

The Watch already supports a pinch gesture so I'm surprised they're not already using it for VP, at least as a backup for occlusion.

Yeah it is surprising because it seems like a relatively obvious solution. The Watch doesn't use electromyography though [1], it looks like it currently uses "the accelerometer, gyroscope, and optical heart sensor with a new machine learning algorithm." I wonder how accurate that is compared to the EMG solution Meta is using.

[1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/10/apple-watch-double-ta...

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6dof input from hand gestures is a killer feature but it has to be rock solid. So far only controllers can do it but it's getting much better every year. Haptic feedback, discrete buttons and precise analog input from controllers are also very important. The downside of controllers is that your hands are full and it's just not feasible for an all day wearable. Hopefully someone figures out a good compromise be it rin…

The haptic feedback you get from touching your thumb and forefinger to simulate a click is actually better than a button because it feels more organic and natural. Where it falls apart is not being able to feel yourself touching objects which nothing other than a full glove is going to be able to simulate. Controllers and rings provide no benefit over Apple's approach.

Where do you figure? Last I checked mushy, organic keyboards are not preferred.

I mean, it's just laughable to suggest that inpu work just as well on the AVP. People are not using the virtual keyboard if a real one is available. Gamers want clicky buttons too.

There are clear benefits and disadvantages of each setup.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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This will probably be an unpopular opinion, but Meta is in the right direction and has to go on an Amazon type arc to align their employees with their vision. I watched this podcast that released around the same time and Zuckerberg's argument/vision for the future of Meta seems solid[0]. Generally, a large magnitude of value is created during "platform shifts" and they have now placed (really good) bets on VR/AR and…

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>no guarantees anywhere in plain sight on privacy Elaborate. Do you mean this with regards to the data that users will generate when using the device? Or the privacy of the people around the wearer?

I could not care less about the the privacy of the weirdos who will try to wear these in public. I care deeply about the further normalization of surveillance capitalism. I try hard to be kind, but I will have very little patience for any individual who wears always-on cameras that infringe on my privacy. I don't use social media for a reason. Meta just wants to sell surveillance devices so they can collect more data…

> I don't use social media for a reason.

Do you not consider HN social media?

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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While still pretty clunky, I think I'd rather wear these for extended periods of time than Vision Pro glasses (100g vs 600g). This is the type of v1 minimalist design I was hoping Apple would go for. I assume Apple investigated this path but realized they would be cost prohibitive? (although when has that ever stopped Apple before?)

Vision Pro is an XR device not purely AR. So there are many things very important to Apple e.g. running apps, creating content, watching movies etc. that AR glasses are completely useless for. Never really understand why people keep comparing AR to XR. Very different use cases.

Most people aren’t actually familiar with the products or technology. Most only look at a checklist on paper and don’t bother with the details beyond that.

Till these products are common place and people have tried them, it’s unfortunately always going to be the case that the distinction is not intuitive to (effectively) a layperson.

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