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The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Re: The upstream cause of the youth mental health crisis is the loss of community

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Chris2048 wrote: post #200
vishnugupta wrote: post #101

One big change I've noticed between growing up in a small town and now where I'm in my mid 40s in a big metro city in India is increased "transactional" nature of interactions of my daily life. Back then we had a deeper ties with all those who served us by which I mean vegetable vendor, carpenter, doctor, knife sharpener, cloth shop, grocer, baker and so on. Whenever we interacted with them it would be a small chit-c…

> I'm now connected only with my immediate family, that's it Are there no other ways to make friends via social activities?

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Post by lotsofpulp »

watwut wrote: post #456
lotsofpulp wrote: post #418

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Some portion of alcohol prices are a barrier to entry to create the desired crowd. You might not want to attract the type of person looking to get shitfaced for cheap. Usually, non alcoholic non tap water is not way cheaper, especially if it is a “mocktail”. Of course, some portion is also high rents. And I have never seen a restaurant or bar outside of Costco with free refills for anything other than tap water thoug…

But if you have to pay an expensive entry into that space, you will naturally limit who will go there and how often. And I do not just means "excludes people who get shitfaced". I mean "excludes people who are conscious about spending money or simply do not have super high salaries".

Yes, that is also sometimes an intended barrier to entry.

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Post by vel0city »

probably_wrong wrote: post #507
vel0city wrote: post #381

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I constantly see people lament some loss of "free" third places that apparently used to exist and be so common but no longer exist. What are these free third places which used to but no longer exist?

When I was a child my parents used to sit in front of our house and drink tea. The neighbors would do the same and all children would play together. But thanks to longer working hours and the fear induced by the 24/7 news cycle no one dares sit outside anymore. My nieces don't know their neighbors. When I was a teenager there was a specific square where one would go after school (or during if you skipped class that d…

My children are still a bit too young, but there are lots of kids that play in my neighborhood in DFW. The city park at the end of my street has families playing, people out walking their dogs, fishing in the ponds. People play sports at the fields in the park. People hang out on their front patios when it's not 100F outside, have trunk or treats at the park, etc.

The apartments I've lived in the past several years had get together events from time to time. I also met a lot of neighbors going to the gym or hanging out around the pool or playing billiards in the clubhouse.

None of this seems radically rare from my experiences in Houston and DFW.

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Post by navigate8310 »

VyseofArcadia wrote: post #56
weberer wrote: post #21

I've noticed an uptick recently of large brands to start referring to themselves as "The [Brand] Community". The author pointed out Youtube here (who in an Orwellian manner calls their ToS "community guidelines") but I've also seen it with many other multi-million dollar companies such as Reddit, Twitter, etc. Young people today are reaching out for real support structures, but only receiving manipulation from corpor…

> I've noticed an uptick recently of large brands to start referring to themselves as "The [Brand] Community" I don't think I've ever seen that. What I have seen is non-sponsored people referring to "the [brand] community" or "the [product] community" as a shorthand way of saying they discuss brand or product with other people with that shared interest on a dedicated Discord server or forum. The Sega community, the F…

https://community.n8n.io/

There are many more like this. In fact, it's almost an unwritten rule to create a 'community.domain.tld' with Discourse for a self-hosted projects.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

watwut wrote: post #455
goethes_kind wrote: post #183

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I'm in my 30s but I'm feeling this so hard. Growing up we used to have these kid/youth centres that were run by local Catholic organizations. We used to hang out there after school. Ostensibly the point was that there'd be 30 minutes of catechism doctrine, but we didn't really care about that. To us it was just a the place where everyone would be. I miss that so much. A place where you can just go and meet people you…

Are you saying that a group where everyone has to be a catholic is somehow diverse? Also, nothing will ever be like the stuff we had when we were kids. Because in all our minds, that is the norm.

It can be quite diverse in other factors besides the religion. e.g. mixing of race, class, politics, culture, ect

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Post by XMPPwocky »

flappyeagle wrote: post #277
autoexecbat wrote: post #253

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They probably have some internal churn targets to hit, else people will start to figure out that the app isn't worth their time and try a different one

It creates a much worse problem actually. Why have a committed relationship when you can always press a button to look at hotties and have a pull at the sex slot machine? If they design the system right, their audience just won't marry or have long term stable relationships

Do people go on dating sites to look at "hotties"? I've heard there are better websites to do that, many free of charge!

(Not a rhetorical question - as a queer person who's never used a dating site or app and who's been in a long-term relationship (now married) for almost 8 years now, I really do have no idea what people do on there.)

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Post by racional »

XMPPwocky wrote: post #516
flappyeagle wrote: post #277

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It creates a much worse problem actually. Why have a committed relationship when you can always press a button to look at hotties and have a pull at the sex slot machine? If they design the system right, their audience just won't marry or have long term stable relationships

Do people go on dating sites to look at "hotties"? I've heard there are better websites to do that, many free of charge! (Not a rhetorical question - as a queer person who's never used a dating site or app and who's been in a long-term relationship (now married) for almost 8 years now, I really do have no idea what people do on there.)

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Post by galdosdi »

g9yuayon wrote: post #428

When I grew up in China, students in a school were divided into fixed classes. Those classes formed great communities, as we spent hours every day for at least three years and some for 6 years. Each class had a head teacher, who fostered the sense of community too. No one would mock people for geeking out. No one would mock people for not being good at sports. No one would mock those who struggled at academics. At le…

Ugh, yes, and many Americans naively imagine that all that John Hughes movie nonsense is somehow a normal universal part of teenage growing up! They'll see their kids start doing it and since they did it too they just shrug whist fully about the passage of time!

Ignoring that it isn't normal elsewhere and wasn't normal here 100 years ago either when children were too busy for that kind of baby court intrigue.

In fact, even in the modern US it's not universal. Both I and my child have gone to school in different areas and in both cases the level of that kind of nonsense was far less in some places than others.

Teenagers aren't naturally alienated. You're alienating them and that's why they're alienated. By 13 a normal child is ready for and craves a lot more responsibility and efficacy than much of modern suburban American provides them, and lacking it leads to trying to direct the energy into other less constructive outlets. Idle hands are the devil's hands.

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Post by Miraste »

tivert wrote: post #398
Miraste wrote: post #187

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I don't think increasingly poor mental health has much to do with climate change, but the threat of nuclear war is a bad comparison. Bombs either fall or don't. Climate change is a creeping, progressive issue that's visibly worse every few years, and the government has effectively said that that there will be no intervention.

I don't think I can disagree strongly enough. Creeping changes are something you can adapt to and get used to. Nuclear war was (and still is to an extent) a looming boogeyman whose simultaneous distance and nearness, slowness and quickness makes it a literal nightmare horror-show . I mean, it's a literal sword of Damocles. > and the government has effectively said that that there will be no intervention. The governme…

The average person isn't so blind they don't see the changes. The frog-boiling experiment is a myth. When there are state-spanning fires that darken the sky across the whole country every year, and hurricanes strong enough to shut down city infrastructure are a regular occurrence, and crops fail and lakes run dry and insects that were so thick twenty years ago you couldn't see through them can no longer be found, people notice. I think these things add up to much more psychological damage than the abstract fear of missiles, even if most don't connect it to climate change directly.

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Post by lotsoweiners »

mcmcmc wrote: post #437
goethes_kind wrote: post #183

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I'm in my 30s but I'm feeling this so hard. Growing up we used to have these kid/youth centres that were run by local Catholic organizations. We used to hang out there after school. Ostensibly the point was that there'd be 30 minutes of catechism doctrine, but we didn't really care about that. To us it was just a the place where everyone would be. I miss that so much. A place where you can just go and meet people you…

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Pretty sure no matter what they do your opinion of them wouldn’t change so let’s just let them be.
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