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No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by binary132 »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #456
binary132 wrote: post #281

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You didn’t say “someone wants to live next to you”. You said “build a house”. Presumably, this includes a “house” that can hold 1000 people at low rent. If it doesn’t (since that would undeniably destroy your property value), then you’re willing to impose regulations on the pretty deregulated picture you’ve painted. If it does, then you’re not going to find that many people who own property agree with you.

>Presumably, this includes a “house” that can hold 1000 people at low rent. Presumptuous indeed. There wouldn't be a housing shortage if vast parts of the U.S. weren't restricted to single family homes . The choice isn't a single family home or a housing complex that can hold a 1,000 people, but more efficient usage of space and infrastructure, one that isn't totally centered around everyone having a vehicle. That ca…

so “yes”?

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Post by kingbiz »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #405
CleanRoomClub wrote: post #290

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Why question a human’s innate desire to raise their own off-spring like we’ve evolved to do for millions of years? So often people chime in with the “just adopt” and while I agree in a perfect world, that’s exactly what would happen, but in reality it goes against a very fundamental part or human nature to opt to raise someone else’s child instead of your own. It just completely misses the human element of why people…

Plenty of people raise other people’s kids without ever knowing. They didn’t love them less.

Yes, but usually they believe it is their own kid

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by bdjsiqoocwk »

rramadass wrote: post #475
codeforafrica wrote: post #445

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I see more single mothers here in Africa than i have ever come across in western countries. Lack of work leaves men unable to care for their family causing them to simply give up and walk away, leaving the mothers to fend for themselves. I see no supportive structures, discipline or culture to counteract that. I haven't been here long, so my impressions are not founded on a lot of experience, but it looks like what i…

I would wager that in terms of percentage of population the situation in Africa is not that bad as in Western countries. Some very poor countries may suffer to a larger degree but not Africa as a whole. To give a counter example, take a look at India and China, the two most populous nations. In both cases there is a huge migration from rural to urban centers but Social expectations, Cultural norms, Family structure a…

> you have entire villages populated only by Grand parents and Grand children because the Parents are away working in the City

Sounds lovely!

Re: No one expects young men to do anything and they respond by doing nothing (2022)

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Post by bdjsiqoocwk »

relaxing wrote: post #447
smegger001 wrote: post #413

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Its not wrong the 80/20 rule applies to the dating apps in a real way, a small minority of males on them sweep the majority of matches and anyone not it the upper quartile may as well not even apply. When your part of the 80% of males in compilation against eachother for the lower 20% of matches it can be daunting. You can choose free porn, play games, drink, and hang with friends or fight the constant rejection, and…

Oh gtfo. No woman is desperate enough for food to put up with shitty dates. They have shelters for those cases.

Yikes, you're pretty sheltered.

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Post by bluefirebrand »

semiquaver wrote: post #188
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> The US is addicted to cheap immigrant labor for a huge number of jobs that Americans largely aren’t willing so do. Maybe more like "business owners are 'addicted' to paying cheaper wages that only immigrants from poor countries are willing to do at the offered rate."

For better or worse, US consumers are addicted to the low prices those low wages enable. Just look at how upset people are at the relatively modest inflation of the past four years. Thats nothing compared to the shock that ending immigration would create. Since we live in a democracy, such a plan would be swiftly reversed because of the pain it would cause.

> For better or worse, US consumers are addicted to the low prices those low wages enable

You cannot convince me that low prices require low wages when companies are raking in record profits. We could have better wages, the same prices and lower profits. That is a sacrifice I would be happy to have businesses make

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Post by bluefirebrand »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #150
quacked wrote: post #140

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A close relation of mine worked in a very, very high-up position in the Department of Agriculture. He has been farming-adjacent for his entire career, and years before he joined DoA he explained to me how meatpacking and butchery has slowly been taken over by a central set of massive corporate conglomerates who destroyed competition in the beef industry by pricing then out. All of these major central corporations are…

All excellent points, a fair assessment of the situation. But, I would also say corporate profits of these firms rely on this low skill desperate labor that cannot organize and will not speak up (versus being shipped back to whatever terrible place they fled from). ADM, Bunge, Tyson, Koch Industries, etc are what come to mind in the ag sector, but is certainly not all inclusive. I don't have a solution, but I hope sm…

The problem is the people running the show don't care if it's sustainable. They just want to get theirs and get out. Earn enough money and you can insulate yourself from consequences

There's far too much of this happening across all sectors, including government

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Post by bluefirebrand »

belorn wrote: post #481
bluefirebrand wrote: post #448

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> the world has changed, mostly for the better This remains to be seen, honestly There are an awful lot of unhappy men out there and they are going to boil over eventually

It may be less boiling over, and more exiting. A major increase in suicides, increasingly fewer people willing to do jobs, and a ever aging demographic with increased pressure on social support and health care. Everyone looses with no clear path forward.

Well, mass shootings are increasing as well

That would seem to qualify as "boiling over" to a certain extent to me

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #517
belorn wrote: post #481

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It may be less boiling over, and more exiting. A major increase in suicides, increasingly fewer people willing to do jobs, and a ever aging demographic with increased pressure on social support and health care. Everyone looses with no clear path forward.

Well, mass shootings are increasing as well That would seem to qualify as "boiling over" to a certain extent to me

That is a US centric issue. There are a lot of "unhappy men" in the rest of the western societies as well, and no atrocities like that. Thankfully.

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Post by squigz »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #505
squigz wrote: post #321

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Maybe YT compilations of what "young women want" is not a good source of cultural information.

What's your source of truth other than polling women and watching their actual choices?

We're not talking about "polling", which is an actual process that needs to be done properly for the results to be worth considering. YT videos that women upload - or even worse, compilations of TikTok videos and whatnot - don't follow that process.

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Post by calf »

rramadass wrote: post #510
paulryanrogers wrote: post #480

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> In China in particular; you have entire villages populated only by Grand parents and Grand children because the Parents are away working in the City. And yet the situation is not dire like what is being painted in the article in spite of many problems. This sounds like its own kind of dire.

Absolutely. But what is interesting is that the family structure doesn't breakdown. The Parents work themselves to the bone and send money back to help their Parents and Children in the village. The Grand Parents take care of the Grand Children. When the children grow up, depending upon the Parent's situation in the City, they move to the city to live with their parents and study/grow up there or if they are already…

But that's just an Industrial-stage family structure. Loosely speaking. It's not that interesting and not fair to compare that with post-industrial neoliberal societies in the West.

(I'm East Asian American.)

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