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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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He ran virtually unopposed in those primaries and many people sat them out, so I don't think anyone takes those victories as a strong signal. It's become clear through recent polls that he lost the support of many of his party's voters.

They literally cancelled the primary in multiple states. There was not a credible, legitimate, nationwide presidential primary for the Democratic party in 2024.

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I actually think this loses Democrats the election. I don't know who the nominee is going to be but if it's Kamala I think they REALLY lose the election. People may be lukewarm on Biden but they despise Kamala for her shady history as a prosecutor.

As an anti-trump voter (aka a circumstantial democrat) - that’s what I’m worried about too. It feels like we’ve left it til too late without the democrats putting up anyone that people are excited about - while we know how the other side feels about trump.

I would really like to see one of the pragmatic, centrist governors be nominated. Someone who can stop feeding the culture war and rebuild a centrist coalition. There are plenty of Trump voters in swing states who loathe Trump and support him only because they are voting against the far left.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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The problem isn't just his age, it's his decrepitude, both physical and mental. I know people in their 90s who are able to speak clearly at any hour of the day...

Speaking clearly has nothing to do with mental fortitude. Tons of things can affect the fluency of speech. We really need to move past the days where we judge people's intelligence and competence based on how well the connections of their brain are able to influence the movement of the vocal cords and the tongue the lips and the jaw.

How else do you prove competence of a leader to hundreds of millions of citizens?

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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I have a "radical" idea: why not actually let the constituency of this party make the choice.

Or actually radical: switch from our terrible first-past-the-post voting system to - say - ranked choice (or one of many alternatives; they're almost all better than fptp) and then primaries won't be so important and parties won't have so much power over our kinda-democratic-but-actually-oligarchic political system.

It would be kinda funny to keep the electoral college but change the ballots to ranked choice.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

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How are the wars his fault? It shows how shallow some people's knowledge are if they can't see the problem with this argument...

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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One of the most effective presidents since Johnson or Truman. But he did campaign on a single term. Let’s hope the Dem’s circular firing squad puts down its guns so they can quickly concentrate on winning the election with someone … probably Harris is the simplest answer.

Simplest may not be best here. Is Harris the person who is most likely to get people to the polls and vote Dem? Is she someone who can convert independent/undecided voters? etc. IMO those are not easy "yes, absolutely" answers. Does the Democratic party have anyone in the wings who is more likely to win than Harris? Maybe? Gretchen Whitmer might be a strong candidate, off the top of my head. But I'm struggling to thi…

> Does the Democratic party have anyone in the wings who is more likely to win than Harris?

No idea if he’d be interested but Mark Kelly would be a great candidate to try and win independents.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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how do you measure who is effective?

It's a very tough thing to objectively measure, but one metric we can point to is his ability to push a surprising amount of bipartisan legislation through an incredibly divided congress in just 4 years.

Bipartisan legislation is literally the worst of the worst. When both sides agree on something, you know the citizens are really getting screwed
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