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Julian Assange has reached a plea deal with the U.S., allowing him to go free

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Julian's not a whistleblower, he's a journalist. Whistleblowers are people within the organization.

And only sometimes. Other times he was a political campaigner. "Hey Don Jr, let's talk and coordinate the release of a bunch of DNC material when it can most benefit your dad's campaign. And don't worry, I'm sitting on the RNC material, it's safe."

What US journalist isn't?

My impression that partisanship in reporting is incredibly strong.

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Stop repeating those obvious lies, conspiracy theories, and propaganda. No, Julian Assange was not in prison for skipping bail. Nor did he do it to avoid legitimate rape charges. He was in jail for doing journalism. And now he is not going to U.S. territory in the Northern Mariana Islands to plead guilty to a single charge of doing journalism (whatever bullshit wording they chosen).

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Good, this was getting majorly embarrassing for all countries still involved with this legal mess. The man dying in prison stuck in legal limbo without any conviction whatsoever (innocent until proven guilty and all that) would have been a PR disaster for the UK. And of course there's also the issue that the UK is very likely to get a new government that would have likely been leaning to just letting the man go in an…

> At least the current Labour leader strikes me as a decent man with some actual principles and backbone

You are speaking of the "human rights lawyer" who at best acquiesced in Starmer being locked up in Belmarsh.

You are speaking of the man who became Labour leader on the strength of six promises, all of which he repudiated as soon as he was leader.

He doesn't have a principled bone in his body.

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Good, this was getting majorly embarrassing for all countries still involved with this legal mess. The man dying in prison stuck in legal limbo without any conviction whatsoever (innocent until proven guilty and all that) would have been a PR disaster for the UK. And of course there's also the issue that the UK is very likely to get a new government that would have likely been leaning to just letting the man go in an…

>innocent until proven guilty and all that To be fair, he was refusing to face trial. And he is expected to plead guilty, so he isn't innocent. That said, there may be legitimate questions about whether the United States should be entitled to exercise jurisdiction over foreign nationals who are not physically present in the jurisdiction for national security offences.

Did the US army or its participating individuals ever get charged for killing the “collateral murder” Reuters journalists? Or for doing the same to the proximate other civilians? Or for covering it all up?

The question who is guilty by a US court does not determine the guilt of an individual in any relevant or moral way under these extreme circumstances. It just indicates if you are part of the system or if you rather are uncomfortable and need to be silenced.

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No doubt that will be his new job now. Watch him become a pro-Russian influencer on X and a regular guest on various MAGA platforms.

It's no secret he was given a ton of leaked material material on the Kremlin but decided not to publish it.

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It amazes me that so many people care more about the act of whistleblowing, which informs us, the citizens, about what our governments are doing that's illegal, than about the illegal activities themselves. What does that say about those people? Are they easily led by emotion? They certainly don't care about the rule of law, if breaking the law by others can so easily be ignored. They aren't particularly patriotic, i…

I wish the US had offered whistleblowers reasonable plea deals and they had taken them. Unfortunately that's not the world we live(d) in. The US pursued a policy of vindictive and extralegal punishment against "enemy combatants" that made a lot of people doubt whether they could get fair treatment.

Plea deals aren't a solution. No matter how reasonable.

This agreement itself is a plea deal, but involves the agreement in principle that Assange has committed a crime by publishing this information. That in itself is an enormous problem for people seeking out government wrongdoing.

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The mainstream press are all over this now, seemingly sharing the jubilation.

Where were they in the dark days of the semi-secret travesty of a trial in London?

Thankfully people like Craig Murray stepped up to the crucial fourth estate role they abdicated, to witness it for us.

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> JULIAN ASSANGE IS FREE

No, he is not. Nobody can go through what he has been forced to suffer in all those years without lasting consequences that can't be undone: years of his life have been taken away, his health has been damaged, his family has been hit as well. He may be free to roam around, but he's not the same person anymore. I don't see any happy ending here, especially if there are no consequences for the psychopaths dressed as patriots who forced him into that ordeal.

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My view of him changed when I saw a recording of him in a documentary saying that murdered Iraqi translators who worked with the US military got what they deserved for working with the enemy.

Considering what America did to Iraq, I think that's an understandable viewpoint.

However, Assange has always displayed a great respect for human life, and so, this doesn't sound like him at all.

I can't find any clip of this, nor anyone discussing this, and have never heard of it before your claim. Care to bring receipts?

Edit: Looking more into it, I found the source - people said that Declan Walsh said that he heard Assange say this at a dinner party. You really ought to be a little more discriminating when using a single quote to try and completely dismiss someone.

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