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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by Hawxy »

Turfie wrote: post #473

My brother convinced me to try a 1Password family account, since it would be cheaper. Ever since, the Chrome plugin takes forever to login. Sometimes up to 5-6 seconds. And it really annoys me that they have so many resources and money, and it's still this expensive for a very very basic application, and slow to boot. I tried out passwords, and combined with Safari, it's an absolute godsend compared to 1Password. Tha…

> Ever since, the Chrome plugin takes forever to login.

This isn't my experience since the recent update that shows up a mini-login panel when trying to sign in. The old experience that opened the desktop app first was fairly slow.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by 20wenty »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #174
dylan604 wrote: post #150

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I have been fighting switching to the SaaS version. Paying a monthly fee for access to my passwords is highway robbery. I do not want/need any of these other "services" they forced upon me. I have trying Apples keychain, but that migration is slow and a total pain in the ass. And it's not even a good replacement. I'm sure 1Password doesn't care one iota about loosing individual users with attitudes like this. Until t…

1Password has the most reasonable pricing out of just about any SaaS company. $1/user/month if you're on a family plan. $3/month for individuals. And they provide a great service. Strongly disagree that they're part of the group of SaaS companies trying to price gouge their users.

Same opinion on 1Password's great service. I've found them to be responsive and accessible anytime I've needed them. I'm not seeing all the bugs and issues others are reporting, but I have noticed a couple of odd UI changes lately that feel a bit like a product manager is bored and looking for work to do.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by amlib »

ivan_gammel wrote: post #402
zchrykng wrote: post #231

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With Firefox at 2.93% [1] percent market share, doesn't seem like many people would put it in the MVP. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers

What is the market share among people who buy and use password managers?

I also don't get why pay for a password manager when there is a free one from a trustworthy entity, Mozilla Firefox, that works on android, windows, linux, iOS and MacOS.

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Post by tstrimple »

bowsamic wrote: post #137
ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

I've used Bitwarden for a while now and it has been so better than LastPass or 1Password ever was for me. I never understood the 1Password hype, it was easily the worst experience of any password manager I tried.

For a time 1Password had the best integration and UX across Apple devices of any of the password managers. That has become less and less true over time. Integration issues over the last year have me excited to try Apple's Passwords implementation as a replacement. Bitwarden is on my list as well, but haven't pulled the trigger due to switching costs for a family of five who all use 1password currently.

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Post by bowsamic »

tstrimple wrote: post #514
bowsamic wrote: post #137

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I've used Bitwarden for a while now and it has been so better than LastPass or 1Password ever was for me. I never understood the 1Password hype, it was easily the worst experience of any password manager I tried.

For a time 1Password had the best integration and UX across Apple devices of any of the password managers. That has become less and less true over time. Integration issues over the last year have me excited to try Apple's Passwords implementation as a replacement. Bitwarden is on my list as well, but haven't pulled the trigger due to switching costs for a family of five who all use 1password currently.

Even when people were raving about 1Passwords integration I found it inferior to LastPass

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Post by FalconSensei »

My main reason to use this would be to maybe have an easier time adding a login when I'm on mobile - hopefully Apple would make it as easy as with bitwarden's desktop browser extension where you can just click 'save' or 'update' after logging in

My main reason not to use it is because I guess not going to work as well with firefox desktop?

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Post by robbiep »

acdha wrote: post #283
drcongo wrote: post #142

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I'm only still on it because of team use, but if Apple's thing supports teams I'm gonna be so happy to get rid of it. I've been using it for nearly 20 years and it's been going down hill fast for the last 5, but 1Password 8 is an absolute clown car. It hijacks your passkey logins meaning that authenticating with Tailscale for me has gone from a single touch of the TouchID button on my Mac, to 1) click button that say…

The password sharing feature is pretty slick: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/share-passwords-iphe6... I’m with you on 1P. I bought every version starting in 2009, until the constant push to subscribe made me stop. The part their VCs should be afraid of is that switching took about 5 minutes (export + import) and the only change I noticed is that everything is faster. That moat is a trickle of water (I hope it…

I’m pleased to hear that switching is simple - it has been a major impediment for getting me and my team to switch. We’re currently on 1p as an org and I bought initially back at 6/7. Just changed to 8 reluctantly as I had ‘my’ stuff in my own vault. I had heard that it was not easy

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Post by randomdata »

quitit wrote: post #485
everdrive wrote: post #475

I don't think Apple has built this maliciously for this purpose, but for normal users this will be a strong motivator vendor lock-in.

That's an interesting take because I can see how this reduces lock-in: 1. It's now easier to access passwords on the mac because you no longer are forced to use Safari to view passwords, nor have to sort through the technical entries/certificates in Keychain Access. 2. The app surfaces a prominently positioned button for one-click sharing and exporting of passkeys/passwords, whereas existing methods significantly lac…

> you no longer are forced to use Safari to view passwords

Your passwords haven't been bound to Safari for quite a while. You already had to use the Passwords app found in Settings. Both Safari and Keychain Access have controls to allow you to open the Passwords app (the Settings one) from within them, but it stands independently.

The new Passwords app seems to be the old Passwords app with some refinements, new features, and moving it out into a more familiar location rather than it being hidden away in Settings. You might say this is Passwords v2.

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

cuu508 wrote: post #356
MrDrMcCoy wrote: post #323

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> It's also why I refuse to buy more into Google products: it's too much of a risk to lose access to everything if Google wakes up one day and decides to suspend your account There's a difference between Google's products and Google's services. You can use either one without the other. I am a happy user of Google hardware, and am even happier to be almost entirely extricated from their services.

Do you mean stuff like Pixel but with a degoogled version of Android?

Even without degoogling, you can refuse to log in to a Google account and disable most of their apps. I rather do like GrapheneOS, though.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

amlib wrote: post #513
ivan_gammel wrote: post #402

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What is the market share among people who buy and use password managers?

I also don't get why pay for a password manager when there is a free one from a trustworthy entity, Mozilla Firefox, that works on android, windows, linux, iOS and MacOS.

The answer is: features. People who pay for a consumer product usually get some added value with it that you cannot find in freeware.
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